COVID-19 in Canada: Virtual Town Hall | CBC News special

>> THE GREATEST CHALLENGE OF OUR GENERATION >> WE WILL BE WITH OUR FRIENDS AGAIN WE WILL BE WITH OUR FAMILIES AGAIN >> Heather: VOICES THAT HAVE BEEN STRONG, URGENT AND PRESENT IN OUR LIVES THAT WAYS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO IMAGINE ONLY WEEKS AGO GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO A SPECIAL CBC NEWS PRESENTATION COVID-19 IN CANADA, A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL I’M HEATHER HISCOX IN TORONTO >> Ian: IT’S BEEN MORE THAN A MONTH SINCE THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION MADE IT OFFICIAL WE ARE IN A PANDEMIC AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TURNED UPSIDE TOWN CANADIANS ASKED TO MAKE SACRIFICES SO WE CAN BEAT COVID-19 >> Heather: IT’S BEEN A TERRIBLE STRUGGLE FOR THIS COUNTRY MORE THAN A THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD AS OF TODAY IN MANY CASES, THERE’S ECONOMIC HARDSHIP DAYS OF STRESS TURNING INTO WEEKS OF DREAD BUT ONE THING WE KNOW FOR SURE, CANADIANS HAVE DONE WHAT CANADIANS DO WE HAVE PULLED TOGETHER IN REMARKABLE WAYS [ ♪♪♪ ] >> Heather: OVER THE NEXT TWO HOURS ON CBC TV, CBCNEWS.CA WE’LL LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE MAY BE GOING >> Ian: THE MOST AAUTHOR DAYITY VOICES CANADA’S CHIEF HEALTH OFFICER, DR. TAM AND DR. HENRY AND TONIGHTS YOU’LL HEAR FROM FRONT-LINE HEALTHCARE WORKERS, PEOPLE RECOVERING FROM COVID-19 AND OTHER SPECIAL GUESTS >> Heather: TODAY’S CANADA CONFIRMED CASES CLIMBED PASSED 28,000 AND THAT HAS BEEN RISING BY A THOUSAND CASES A DAY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH AND HERE IS SOMETHING THAT BRINGS HOME THE WORST SUFFERING TODAY THE NUMBER OF COVID-19 DEATHS IN CANADA SURPASSED 1,000 NOW DR. TAM DID SAY TODAY THERE ARE SIGNS THE EPIDEMIC IS SLOWING DOWN IN CANADA SHE CAUTIONED IT DOESN’T MEAN WE’RE OUT OF DANGER OR WE CAN EASE MEASURES ANY TIME SOON PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU UNDERSCORED THAT POINT MULTIPLE TIMES DURING HIS DAILY BRIEFING TODAY, APPEALING FOR PATIENTS IF WE REOPEN TOO SOON, EVERYTHING WE’RE DOING NOW MIGHT BE FOR NOTHING WE ARE MAKING SACRIFICES WE’RE THERE FOR EACH OTHER AND WE NEED TO HOLD ON, STILL, AND THEN, ONCE WE’RE READY, ONCE WE FEEL WE’RE THROUGH AND ONCE THE EXPERTS ARE TELLING US THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT REOPENING THE ECONOMY A LITTLE BIT, WE WILL TAKE VERY CAREFUL STEPS AND DO THAT >> Heather: SO THE PRIME MINISTER THERE, IAN, WITH A VARIATION WE HEAR EVERY AFTERNOON AT 3:00 P.M. PACIFIC, DELIVERED BY SOMEONE WHOSE DAILY BRIEFING HAS BECOME AN ESSENTIAL VIEWING FOR MILLIONS OF CANADIANS >> Ian: YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT DR. BONNIE HENRY I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN WATCHING HER AND HERE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, I’LL HEAR PEOPLE SAY THEY’LL STOP DOING WHATEVER THEY’RE DOING AT 3:00, SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THEIR PHONE AND SEE THE BRIEFING FROM DR. HENRY WHO JOINS US NOW FROM THE PROVISIONAL CAPITAL, VICTORIA DR. HENRY, WE HAVE SPOKEN MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND RIGHT NOW, I KNOW YOU WOULD WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE STILL DYING FROM COVID-19 AND THAT CERTAINLY IS A TRAGIC HEADLINE TO THE STORY BUT THE NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS, THE NUMBER OF NEW CASES SEEMS TO BE RELATIVELY LOW IN B.C. COMPARED TO SOME OTHER PLACES WHY IS THAT? >> WELL, YES, THAT IS THE QUESTION AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL THING IS BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY YOU KNOW, WE’RE BANDING TOGETHER AND WE’RE KEEPING THAT SAFE DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER AND THAT HELPS THAT BRINGS THE CHAINS OF TRANSMISSION AND WE WERE PREPARED AND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF LUCK, AS WELL

LUCK FAVOURS THE PREPARED AND THAT WAS SOMETHING AS WELL, THOUGH, IMPORTANT IN B.C. AND IN CANADA >> Ian: THROUGHOUT THIS EVENING, WE’LL HEAR QUESTIONS FROM VIEWERS AND WE HAVE ONE FOR YOU FROM SOMEONE NAMEDDASM LBA AND SHE WONDERS ABOUT THE W.H.O GUIDELINES, ABOUT THE TWO-METRE DISTANCING AND, IN FACT, WONDERS IF WE LEARN MORE ABOUT COVID-19 THAT MAY INCREASE TO THREE METRES? >> I DON’T THINK SO WE’VE ALWAYS SAID THAT THAT IS A DROPLET SPREAD AND IT COMES FROM DROPLETS WHEN WE COUGH OR SNEEZE AND THAT’S THE MAIN REASON OR THE MAIN WE WE TRANSMIT IT TO PEOPLE THOSE DROPLETS FALL AWAY QUITE QUICKLY WE SAY BETWEEN ONE AND TWO METRES AND TWO METRES, SIX FEET, IS PROBABLY A GOOD SAFE DISTANCE, AND THAT’S THE DISTANCE WE’LL ARE TO CONTINUE FOR SOME TIME >> Ian: IT’S BEEN VERY INTERESTING LISTENING TO YOU AND I’VE BEEN LISTENING CLOSELY EACH DAY DURING THE BRIEFINGS AND THERE’S AND OVERLAP OF MESSAGES FROM HEALTH OFFICERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES TO DISTANCING AND WHEN IT COMES TO HANDWASHING YOU’VE BEEN DIFFERENT WHERE YOU’VE BEEN MAYBE AN ADVOCATE, CERTAINLY WELCOMING PEOPLE TO GO OUTSIDE, TO EXERCISE, TO WALK ONCE THEY MAINTAIN THEIR SAFE DISTANCE WHY DO YOU FEEL THAT IS APPROPRIATE OR EVEN SAFE TO DO? >> I THINK IT HAS TO DO OR I BELIEVE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NEED THAT WE HAVE TO CONNECT AND WHEN WE COUPE PEOPLE UP FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A MATTER OF WEEKS AND THERE’S MORE TO COME SO BEING ABLE TO START HAVING THAT LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLET TO GO OUTSIDE, TO GET SOME FRESH AIR, TO RELEASE SOME OF THE TENSION AND CONCERN AND ANXIETY IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR HELPING US TO COPE AND COPING TOGETHER AND IT TOOK AWHILE TOR US TO FOR US TO DOTHAT SAFELY BUT PEON BRITISH COLUMBIA AND I KNOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DOING THAT WE’RE KEEPING A SAFE DISTANCE, WASHING OUR HANDS AND MAKING A DISTANCE >> Ian: YOU’VE ANTICIPATED MY NEXT QUESTION AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH TIMING AND I BET YOUR FRUSTRATED WHEN YOU HEAR IT AND THAT IS, AT SOME POINT, SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS WILL LOOSEN YOU HAVE SAID THIS CURRENT SITUATION WILL CONTINUE FOR AWHILE, BUT WHEN DO YOU THINK WE’LL SEE A FEW CHANGES, AT LEAST >> YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WATCHING VERY CAREFULLY AND WE’VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WE’RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS FROM THE VERY FIRST IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY OF THESE RESTRICTIONS, OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OK, WHEN WILL WE KNOW THAT WE CAN STOP DOING THESE THINGS? THERE’S SOME THINGS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STOP DOING SOON, NOT NOW, NOT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, BUT SOON AND MANY WILL BE HOW CAN WE OPEN SOME BUSINESS AGAIN AND HOW CAN WE LOOK AT OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR? WE’VE PUT A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR HEALTH SYSTEM ON HOLD? SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE’RE LOOKING AT NOW THE THINGS NOT LIKELY TO CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE UNTIL WE HAVE A VACCINE OR WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY IMMUNITY AND THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE OUR SAFE DISTANCING, CLEANING OUR HANDS REGULARLY, MAKING SURE WE COVER OUR COUGH AND STAYING AWAY FROM OTHERS WHEN WE’RE SICK AND WE HAVE TO BE INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT AND THAT’S FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE >> Ian: WE HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT AND WE’VE SEEN IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, FOR EXAMPLE, SUPER MARKETS AND BIG PHARMACIES THAT MANAGE TO DO BUSINESS AND MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF SOCIAL DISTANCING, PHYSICAL DISTANCING INSIDE DO YOU SEE THAT BEING A MODEL FOR OTHER BUSINESSES OPENING UP, AS WELL? >> ABSOLUTELY AND, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE DO, IT’S FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE SOME TIMES AND I KNOW AS WE HAVE THIS ANXIETY, THIS FEAR, PEOPLE SOMETIMES TAKE THEIR TENSIONS OUT WHEN THEY’RE WAITING IN THOSE LINES, BUT THE LINES ARE IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO BE PATIENT WITH EACH OTHER IS WE NEED TO BE CALM AND WE NEED TO STAY THOSE SAFE DISTANCES >> Ian: CALM AND PATIENT, CERTAINLY THE HALLMARKS OF YOUR BRIEFING EACH AFTERNOON IN BRITISH COLUMBIA DR. HENRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> THANK YOU >> Ian: SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST IN BRITISH COLUMBIA THAT BONNIE HENRY HAS BECOME SOMETHING OF A FOLK HERO AND THESE PEOPLE ARE WRITING SONGS ABOUT HER AND HERE IS AN EXCERPT COMPOSED BY PHIL DWYER FROM COQUITLAM ON VANCOUVER ISLAND [ ♪♪♪ ] ♪ SHE COMES ON THE RADIO, JUST AROUND 3:00 ♪ WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH NEWS FOR THE FOLKS OF B.C ♪ AND TO TALK OF A CRISIS YET UNSEEN ♪ THAT’S COVID-19 >> Ian: LET’S GO BACK TO

HEATHER IN TORONTO >> Heather: IAN, THANK YOU VERY EMERGENCY MUCH WE KNOW PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP COVID-19 DEVELOP MILD SYMPTOMS BUT 15% DEVELOP SEVERE DISEASE AND 5% CRITICAL DISEASE, MEANING THEIR ON A VENTILATOR IN THE ICU OUR NEXT GUEST IS JUST 36 YEARS OLD AND HE’S WITH US TONIGHT FROM MONTREAL I’M GLAD TO SEE YOU I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE YOU FROM YOUR HOSPITAL BED BUT HERE YOU ARE, YOU’VE BEEN DISCHARGED AND HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE HOME? >> IT FEELS AMAZING BEING AT THE HOSPITAL FOR SUCH A LONG TIME AND BY YOURSELF, BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED VISITORS AND IT TAKES A TOLL ON YOU AT SOME POINT AND I’M HAPPY BEING BACK HOME I’M EATING HOME FOOD AND BEING WITH MY GIRLFRIEND HELPS WITH THE RECOVERY >> Heather: WHEN YOU SAID IN THE HOSPITAL FOR SOME TIME, WEEKS AND WEEKS YOU CREATED THE CORONAVIRUS BACK IN MID-MARCH AND WHEN YOU GOT HOME, I KNOW YOU GOT QUITE ILL, QUITE FAST AND HOW DID THEY PROGRESS? >> THEY WERE FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS, MILE, BUT AS THE DAYS WENT BY, IT WAS WORSE IS WORSE AND WORSE AT SOME POUND, THE FEVER WAS OUT OF CONTROL I COULDN’T, LIKE, HANDLE MYSELF PROPERLY, I COULDN’T WALK PROPERLY AND THEN MY BREATHING BECAME PROBLEMATIC AND SO WE DECIDED TO CALL 9-1-1 FIRST OF ALL, WE CALLED 8-1-1 TO GET MORE INFORMATION IF WE SHOULD GO THERE OR NOT AND THEN TOLD US TO CALL 9-1-1 AND I DID GO TO THE HOSPITAL THEY DISCHARGED ME THERE THE NEXT MORNING BECAUSE I ONLY HAD PNEUMONIA EVEN THOUGH I WAS BROUGHT IN FOR COVID MY GIRLFRIEND SAW ME AND SAID, YOU LOOK MISERABLE RIGHT NOW I STAYED HOME THAT NIGHT AND THE NEXT MORNING I COULDN’T BREATHE, LIKE, AT ALL AND WE CALLED 9-1-1 AGAIN I STAYED TWO DAYS IN THE ICU AND SIX DAYS ON A RESPIRATOR AND THERE WAS A BLOODCLOT ON MY LUNG AND THEN I WENT BACK TO THE ICU >> Heather: WHAT AN ORDEAL, BUT TELL ME ABOUT THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU GO TO HOSPITAL AND WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THE DOCTORS THEY’RE GOING TO PUT YOU ON A VENTILATOR WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? >> I WAS SO MUCH IN PAIN AND SO MUCH IN DISTRESS AND TIRED AND EXHAUSTED FROM EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST WEEK BECAUSE I SPENT A WHOLE WEEK AT HOME BEING REALLY, REALLY SICK SO AT THAT POINT, I WAS, LIKE, PLEASE, JUST HELP ME AND DO ANYTHING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BEING OUT OF IT, IN A COMA, THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE I DIDN’T FEEL THE FEVER AND I WON’T FEEL THE PAIN FOR AWHILE AND I MIGHT EVEN WAKE UP BETTER I MIGHT DIE, BUT AT THAT POINT, IT WAS REALLY DESPERATE MEASURES SO I WAS, LIKE, DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO >> Heather: THAT POINT, I MIGHT DIE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO GO ON TO A VENTILATOR DO, IN FACT, PASS AWAY WHAT DID DOCTORS TELL YOU HOW CLOSE YOU WERE TO DEATH AND HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO PULL THROUGH? >> THEY DON’T TELL YOU BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO PANIC BEI GUESS THEY TELL YOU WHAT’S GOING ON, WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW AND THE RISKS RELATED TO IT, BUT THEY ALWAYS PUT YOU IN A PLACE WHERE YOU KNOW YOU’RE AT THE RIGHT PLACE WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND THEY’RE DOING THEIR BEST AT THAT POINT, I DIDN’T FEEL STRESSED ABOUT IT I WAS PRETTY CALM, VERY EXHAUSTED AND TIRED WE KNEW WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING BIG TO MAKE IT HAPPEN >> Heather: WELL, IT’S HAPPENED AND WE’RE GLAD TO SEE YOU STRONG AND CONTINUED RECOVERY AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY >> THANK YOU FOR CALLING >> Heather: HE’S 36 YEARS OLD, SHOWING US COVID-19 IS NOT JUST A DISEASE THAT STRIKES THE EDERLY >> Ian: WHICH, I THINK, WOULD SURPRISE A LOT OF PEOPLE SO TO TALK ABOUT THAT, LET’S BEFORE IN AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT, A MEMBER OF THE FACULTY MEM OF DENTISTRY IS JOINS US EDMONTON DR. SAXSINGER, WHAT ARE WE SEEING IN TERMS OF YOUNGER VICTIMS >> THAT PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED IN A 20 TO 60-YEAR-OLD OLDING RANGE AND CANADA IS AROUND 60% OR 20 OR 60 YEARS OLD AND THIS IS LOOKING AT U.S

DATA, SO IN THE UNITED STATES RATE RIGHT NOW, AROUND HALF OF THE HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE IN THAT AGE RANGE AND I THINK THE INITIAL DATA UNDERESTIMATED THE PROPORTION OF DISEASE IN YOUNGER PEOPLE AND IT’S DEFINITELY NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY >> Ian: WE HAVE A QUESTION ON VIDEO FROM ONE OF OUR VIEWERS, LET’S LISTEN TO THAT AND YOU CAN ANSWER >> Question: I HAVE A 9-MONTH-OLD BABY AND WE MISSED HIS PEDIATRICIAN CHECK-UP IN MARCH BECAUSE I WAS NERVOUS TO TAKE HIM OUR NEXT CHECK-UP IS IN A WEEK SHOULD I TAKE HIM AND WILL I HAVE TO SELF-ISOLATE AFTERWARDS? >> THIS IS A PERTINENT QUESTION AND I’VE BEEN LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY GOING WITH TELEHEALTH VISITS OR PHONE VISITS FOR NONURGENT CONCERNS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOUR DOCTOR YOU MIGHT DISCUSS WEIGHT GAIN AND RESERVE THE IN-PERSON VISIT FOR THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR VACCINES, FOR EXAMPLE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, IF YOU DON’T HAVE HEALTH CONCERNS WHERE A PHYSICAL IS NEEDED, STILL REACH OUT TO YOUR DOCTOR, BUT MAYBE NOT HAVE THE VISIT YET >> Ian: WE HAVE 45 SECONDS LEFT AND THE BRIEFING IN ALBERTA THIS AFTERNOON, THE NUMBER OF ICU CASES IN YOUR PROVINCE SEEM TO BE RELATIVELY SPEAKING IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE FOR THE HOSPITALS ANY IDEA WHY THE IMPACT OF COVID-19 MAYBE NOT HAS BEEN AS HARD IN ALBERTA AS IN SOME OTHER PLACES >> I THINK THAT WE HAVE REASONABLY HIGH CASES BUT BECAUSE WE’VE HAD EXTENSIVE TESTING, WE’RE CATCHING PEOPLE WITH MILD SYMPTOMS WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF OUR DENOMINATOR AND A SMALLER OF PEOPLE GOING INTO HOSPITAL AND ICU COMPARED TO EARLIER EPIDEMICS WHERE WE WERE COUNTING ONLY THE SEVERELY ILL I THINK WE’LL ALL BE ADJUSTING OUR MODELS FOR WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN OUR AREAS, BUT WE MIGHT BE DOING BETTER THAN WE ANTICIPATED AT THIS POINT ALTHOUGH, OUR CASE NUMBERS ARE CONTINUING >> Ian: DR. SAXSINGER, THANK YOU >>> COVID-19 HAS TAKEN LIVES, ROBBED MANY PEOPLE OF THEIR JOBS AND TODAY, STATISTICS CANADA GAVE US A SENSE OF THAT, RELEASING GDP NUMBERS FOR MARCH THE ECONOMY HAS CONTRACTED BY 91 THE% 9% WE’LL CHECK IN WITH CBC LOCAL HOSTS AND HERE IS TOM MURPHY >> Reporter: HI, IAN THIS IS PORTLAND STREET IN DOWNTOWN DARTMOUTH, HOME TO BREW PUBS AND RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES LOOK AROUND, NOT A LOT HAPPENING SURE PEOPLE ARE GETTING EXERCISE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOORS AROUND HERE, THERE IS NOT MUCH ACTIVITY HAPPENING AT ALL THESE DOORS ARE, IN FACT, CLOSED AND THESE SIGNS PRETTY COMMON EVERYWHERE NOW THAT THE WEATHER IS NICE, PEOPLE ARE ASKING THE QUESTION, WHEN MIGHT SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS BE LIFTED, WHEN, OF COURSE, IT’S SAFE TO DO SO THIS RESTAURANT HAS REOPENED, SORT OF, AND NOT SELLING ANY OF THE FOOD THE OWNERS MAKES BUT TURNED THEIR RESTAURANT IN A COMMUNITY KITCHEN MAKING UP TO 400 MEALS A WEEK TO BE DELIVERED TO A CHARITY THAT DISTRIBUTED TO THOSE IN NEED PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE, YOU SEE AND HEAR A LOT ABOUT THAT HAPPENING IN THESE PARTS, THREE DAYS YOU CAN ALMOST SMELL THE FEAR IN THE AIR, PARTICULARLY AMONG THE SMALL BUSINESS OPERATORS HERE, AS WELL THE TOURISM SEASON IS ABOUT TO COME UPON US AND WHAT MIGHT THEIR SEASON LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR? THEY’RE ALL LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION THAT REALLY NO ONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW, WHEN WILL THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL? TOM MURPHY, CBC NEWS, DARTMOUTH >> Ian: HEALTH EXPERTS SAY WE ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN FINDING THE ANSWERS DOCTORS AND NURSES REMINDING US TO DO OUR PART AS THEY DO THEIRS >> Heather: THESE ARE PEOPLE OF INCREDIBLE DEDICATION AND TALENT AND SOME OF THEIR TALENTS GO FAR BEYOND MEDICINE THEY HAVE REMAINED OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT, REALLY, UNTIL NOW, BUT WE’LL UNCOVER THEM, DISCOVER THEM TONIGHT YOU’LL HEAR A CHOIR OF PHYSICIANS IN TORONTO, PAYING TRIBUTE TO HEALTARE COLLEAGUES CALLING THEMSELVES VOICES ROCK MEDICINE ♪ WE LOOK TO OUR FRIENDS TO

WEIGH OUR LOVE ♪ AS SURE THE SUNRISE, AS SHORE AS THE SEA ♪ AS SURE AS THE WIND IN THE TREES, WE RISE AGAIN ♪ IN THE FACES OF OUR CHILDREN ♪ WE RISE AGAIN IN THE VOICES ♪ WE RISE AGAIN IN THE WAVE OUT ON THE OCEAN ♪ AND WE RISE AGAIN >> Heather: WELCOME BACK TO OUR CBC VIRTUAL TOWN HALL IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SET A STRONG AND REASSURING TONE, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE QUEEN >> WHILE WE HAVE FACED CHALLENGES BEFORE, THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT THIS TIME WE JOIN WITH ALL NATIONS ACROSS THE GLOBE IN A COMMON ENDEAVOR, USING THE GREAT ADVANCES OF OUR INSTINCTIVE COMPASSION TO HEAL WE WILL SUCCEED AND THAT SUCCESS WILL BELONG TO EVERYONE OF US WE SHOULD TAKE COMFORT THAT WHILE WE MAY HAVE MORE STILL TO

ENDURE, BETTER DAYS WILL RETURN WE WILL BE WITH OUR FRIENDS AGAIN WE WILL BE WITH OUR FAMILIES AGAIN WE WILL MEET AGAIN BUT FOR NOW, I SEND MY THANKS AND WARMEST GOOD WISHES TO YOU ALL >> Heather: IT WAS THE FIFTH TIME IN 70 YEARS ON THE THRONE THE QUEEN DELIVERED THAT IN WHICH SHE WAS APPLAUDED AROUND THE WORLD IN CANADA, IT’S THE GOVERNOR GENERAL AND TONIGHT FROM RIDEAU HALL IS HER EXCELLENCY YOUR OFFICE LAUNCHED AN ONLINE PLATFORM CALLED CARING NATION AND IT’S A PLACE FOR CANADIANS FOR CANADIANS TO SHARE STORIES AND I’M WONDERING WHAT YOU’VE SEEN IN THE STORIES YOU’VE SEEN SO FAR >> WE’VE SEEN EVERY WALK OF LIFE IS WRITING TO US I THINK PEOPLE ARE WRITING EVERYWHERE THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR RESILIENCE AND COURAGE AND CAPABILITY AND INGENUITY BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, THEY ARE THANKING THEIR FELLOW CANADIANS THAT ARE KEEPING OUR SOCIETY GOING, THOSE COURAGEOUS PUBLIC HEALTH WORKERS ON THE FRONT LINE KEEPING US SAFE >> Heather: IT CERTAINLY IS, SO THERE ARE COMMON THEMES AND SHARED EXPERIENCES AND AS YOU READ THOSE AND THINK ON THEM AND LOOK ELSEWHERE, HOW DO YOU THINK OVERALL CANADIANS ARE PREPARINGG TO THIS CRISIS? >> LIKE EVERYONE, WE ARE SEEING THE ENORMOUS TOLL THAT THIS PANDEMIC HAS ON US THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE FINANCIALLY PREOCCUPIED, PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES IT’S TERRIBLE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I’M PROUD OF THE RESILIENCE THAT CANADIANS HAVE SHOWN AND THE SOLIDARITY AMONGST OURSELVES AND AS WE CONTINUE THE CONFINEMENT, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE BEING ON THE LOOK-OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER AFTER A LITTLE WHILE, THE ROUTINE SETS IN AND IT BECOMES A LOT HARDER WE HAVE TO CONTINUE AND HOLD THE LINE >> Heather: YOU’VE ACKNOWLEDGED RIGHT THERE THAT THERE ARE DIFFICULT TIMES AND THESE ARE DARK DAY, PLENTY OF CHALLENGES TO COME, BUT WHERE DO YOU SEE HOPE RIGHT NOW, YOUR EXCELLENCY? >> I’VE TURNED A LOT TO MY COLLEAGUES I HAVE A COLLEAGUE THAT IS ON BOARD THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION AND WE’VE BEEN TALKING A LOT BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE ON BOARD A SPACESHIP FAR AWAY, FOR YOU TELECONFERENCING OR TELEMEDICINE OR CONFINED SPACE ISOLATION IS THE NORMAL AND THERE ARE WAYS TO COPE , FOR SURE TO COUNT ON ONE ANOTHER ON BOARD A SPACESHIP, THERE’S A CREW BUT RIGHT HERE, WE’RE ALL A PART OF THIS CREW AND ALL TOGETHER INTO THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE VIRUS AND ONLY TOGETHER WE WILL PREVAIL SO WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AS SUCH WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WE HAVE TO RELY ON EACH OTHER AND TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES >> Heather: WHEN YOU SAY WE WILL PREVAIL, THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE CORE, THE CRUX OF THE MESSAGE YOU DEVELOPED EARLY ON IN THIS CRISIS BUT WE’RE A MONTH INTO THIS RESTRICTIVE LOCKDOWN AND I WONDER WHETHER YOU MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER MESSAGE AND IN PARTICULAR SPEAKING TO PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF YOU’RE THE MOTHER AFTER TEENAGE SON AND PARENTS OF YOUNG CANADIANS STRUGGLING TO STAY THE COURSE AND FOLLOW THE RULES THE LONGER THIS CONTINUES HOW ABOUT A MESSAGE FOR THEM >> IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE EVEN THOUGH THERE’S SO MANY WORRIES AND PREOCCUPATIONS OUT THERE IT’S FUNDAMENTAL IT’S ATTITUDE, IT’S CHARACTER AND WE HAVE THAT WILL AND WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH AND THE COHABITATION GETS MORE DIFFICULT, RELY ONLY THINGS YOU LIKE WE OFTEN SAY IN THE ASTRONAUT WORLD, DON’T FOCUS ON WHAT YOU CAN’T CONTROL BUT FOCUS ON WHAT YOU CAN YOU HAVE CAN MEALS TOGETHER, CHANGE ACTIVITY, DECIDE ON A HOBBY AND YOU CAN VOLUNTEER IF YOU’RE HEALTHY IF THAT’S NEEDED IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY SHOW YOUR GRATITUDE TO PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO ARE HOLDING EVERYTHING TOGETHER >> Heather: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT MESSAGE AND I KNOW AS A PROUD BETTER OF THE OTTAWA CHOIR, YOU’LL ENJOY THE MUSIC WE HAVE COMING UP IAN, CANADIANS HAVE BEEN SHARING THEIR STORIES WITH THE GOVERNOR GENERAL AND SHARING THEM WITH US EVERY SINGLE DAY AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS FILLED WITH UPLIFTING

PHOTOS AND VIDEOS AND WE JUST HEARD VOICES, ROCK MEDICINE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THAT’S JUST ONE EXAMPLE >> Ian: ABSOLUTELY WE’VE SEEN JUNO AWARD WINNERS OFFERING ONLINE SESSIONS PERFORMED AT PHYSICAL DISTANCE FROM THEIR BANDMATES AND 29 MEMBERS FROM THE SYMPHONY AND THERE’S SOMETHING WE WILL PLAY AS WE GO TO BREAK A HIGH SCHOOL CHOIR FROM NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, GOT AMBITIOUS AND FOUNDS OTHERS WHO WANTED TO TAKE PART IN A PERFORMANCE [“OH CANADA”] >> Ian: COVID-19 IS HAVING A

FLATTENING EFFECT ON EVERYDAY LIFE BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CANADIANS SHOW YOU CAN’T KEEP THEM DOWN AND YOU CAN’T STOP THEM FROM SAYING THANK YOU THEY’RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DAILY TRIBUTES PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING TO HEALTHCARE WORKERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WELCOME BACK TO OUR CBC NEWS TOWN HALL ON THE IMPACT OF KUHN COVID-19 IT’S BEEN THE DOCTORS, NURSES AND HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WHO HAVE INSPIRED CANADIANS AND AS CBC NEWS HAS COVERED THIS STORY OF COVID-19, WE’VE HEARD FIRST-HAND ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE DEALING WITH THE DISEASE DR. ALLEN SHARED THIS TWEET OF A LONG NIGHT OF TREATING PATIENTS WITH COVID-19 INCLUDING ONE MAN WHO DIDN’T WANT TO BE ON A VENTILATOR >> HE TURNED TO ME AND SAID IF I DIE FROM THIS, I WOULD RATHER DIE LOOKING AT THE SKY AND TALKING TO MY FAMILY AND SO, I SAT WITH HIM AND WE LOOKED AT THE SKY AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL, SUNNY DAY AND WE TALKED ABOUT HIS FAMILY I LOVE BEING A DOCTOR THERE’S NO.EDU ABOUT THAT I’M SCARED I’M AFRAID >> SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME, I’M SCARED, TOO I HAVE HAD PATIENTED WHO CALLED ME IN MY FAMILY PRACTISE WHO HAVE SAID, I SAW YOU ON CBC AND I’M SCARED, TOO THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT IT AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK ABOUT IT >> Ian: AND THAT WAS JUST — SORRY TO INTERRUPT, THAN WAS JUST IT I KNOW YOU WERE RELUCTANT TO GO THERE IN THE INTERVIEW BUT ROSE ROSEMARY SAID, TELL US HOW YOU FEEL AND YOU GAVE A VOICE TO WHAT SO MANY DOCTORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE FEELING, AS WELL BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE PATIENT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WITH HIM? >> SO HE IS STILL ALIVE HE STILL ON OXYGEN AND HE’S FIGHTING HE’S FIGHTING SO HARD FOR THIS I VISITED HIM YESTERDAY I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL YESTERDAY WORKING AGAIN AND WHEN I HAD A MOMENT, I SLIPPED DOWN TO HIS ROOM AND SAT WITH HIM AND HIS FAMILY HAS COVID-19 AND SO THEY’RE ISOLATING AND THEY CAN’T VISIT HIM AND SO I SAT AND I HELD HIS HAND AND, AGAIN, IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SUNNY DAY WITH BLUE, BLUE SKIES AND FLUFFY, COTTON-BALL CLOUDS AND WE TALKED ABOUT HIS GRANDKIDS THIS TIME AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT HIS EXTENDED FAMILY ONE OF HIS NIECES FOUND ME ON TWITTER AND WE TALKED ABOUT HER AND THE WORK SHE DOES AND THEN WE JUST SAT, WE JUST SAT QUIETLY FOR AWHILE, TOO I LOVE THIS PATIENT, I DO I LOVE HIS STRENGTH, HIS DETERMINATION HE WANTS TO BEAT THIS AND GO HOME AND I WANT HIM TO, AS WELL >> Ian: YOU KNOW, AS I WALK FROM HOME TO WORK WHEN I DO COME INTO THE NEWSROOM HERE, I GO PASSED VANCOUVER GENERAL HOSPITAL AND I WONDER WHAT’S HAPPENING INSIDE THOSE WALLS AS I GO BY YOU WORK JUST OUTSIDE OF OTTAWA AND YOU’RE GIVING US A SENSE OF THAT IN YOUR HOSPITAL, WHAT IS IT LIKE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS THESE DAYS? >> IT’S NOT TOO BAD WE CAN SEE THE SURGE SLOWLY COMING TOWARDS HALTING HILLS THE HOSPITAL I WORK AT, GEORGETOWN HOSPITAL, IT HAS A GREAT, FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT EVERYBODY IS NERVOUS, CAREFUL AND ON GUARD BUT THEY FEEL READY TO DEAL WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO THEY FEEL READY TO MAKE THE

DECISIONS THEY HAVE TO THEY’RE TRYING TO COMFORT THE PATIENTS THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE MANY ARE ON ISOLATION AND WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS TAKES A HUGE MENTAL TOLE, NOT JUST ON THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS BUT ON THE PATIENTS WHO HAVE COVID-19 AND WHO ARE ISOLATED AND ALL OF THE OTHER PATIENTS WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHO MAY NOT HAVE COVID-19 WHO HAVE COME TO THE HOSPITAL FOR OTHER REASONS LIKE ECTOPIC PREGNANCIES OR RUPTURED APPENDIX YES, COVID-19 IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BUT THE OTHER DISEASES ARE STILL GOING ON SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE’RE READY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM WITHIN HOSPITAL AND IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL >> Ian: WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HEARING YOUR VOICE AND AS YOU TOLD ROSIE, YOU LOVE BEING A DOCTOR AND IT CERTAINLY SHOWS NADIAM, THANK YOU >> Heather: THANK YOU FOR THAT CONVERSATION AND TO DR. ALAM THROUGH OUR TOWN HALL, WE’LL BRING YOU REGIONAL PERSPECTIVES AND LOOK NEXT TO QUEBEC AND THAT’S THE PROVINCE HARDEST HIT BY THIS AND PARTICULARLY FROM LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES HERE IS THE HOST OF THE MONTREAL NEWSCAST, DEBBR ARBECH >> Reporter: THIS CRISIS IS UNFOLDING OUR SENIOR’S HOMES ALL BUT A FEW HAVE BEEN AMONG THE EDERLY A HORRIFIC SCENE AT ONE SENIOR’S RESIDENT IN MONTREAL SIGNALED JUST HOW GRIM THE SITUATION REALLY IS >> MOST OF THE STAFF DESERTED THE RESIDENCE >> Reporter: ABANDONED SENIORS AT THE HERRON RESIDENCE LEFT UNFED, DEHYDRATED AND SOILED IN THEIR BEDS 31 OTHERS DIED THERE OVER A PANN OF A MONTH MARY SNYDER IS ONE OF THEM >> SHE WAS OLD, WEAK, AND COULDN’T HEAR >> Reporter: SENIOR’S HOMES ARE OFF LIMITS TO VISITORS FAMILIES ARE DESPERATE FOR NEWS AND WAIT FOR CALLS THAT RARELY COME ALREADY CHRONICALLY UNDERSTAFFED, KEEPING FAMILIES UP TO DATE JUST HASN’T BEEN A PRIORITY NOT EVEN PAID CAREGIVERS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN >> WHEN THEY TOOK ME OUT AND WOULDN’T LET US TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WE LOVE, I THOUGHT, ANOTHER DOWN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE AND THEY WOULDN’T LET ME >> Reporter: HER 94-YEAR-OLD CLIENT, NANCY NEWTON, DIED LAST WEEK DOZENS OF SENIOR’S HOMES ARE STRUGGLING CRITICALLY 2,000 EMPLOYEES JUST STOPPED SHOWING UP FOR WORK AND MANY OF THEM SICK TO RESUSCITATE THE SYSTEM, ANYONE WITH EXPERTISE IN HEALTHCARE IS BEING ASKED TO HELP OUT NOW, INCLUDING CAREGIVERS IT’S TOO LATE FOR NANCY NEWTON, BUT AS THE PROVINCE APPROACHES THE PEAK OF THIS PANDEMIC, THEY COULD BE A LIFE-LINE FOR HUNDREDS MORE [ ♪♪♪ ]

>> Ian: WE WANT TO BRING YOU THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT’S HAPPENING INSIDE OF INTENSIVE CARE UNITS TWO UNIQUE VIEWS FROM THE CANADA-U.S. BORDER FIRST, LET’S HEAR FROM A PHYSICIAN IN OTTAWA AND WORKS IN THREE OF THE CITY’S FOUR ICUS AND I KNOW, DOCTOR, YOU WERE ON SHIFT TODAY AND WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THE ICU? >> HONESTLY, IAN, THINGS WERE RELATIVELY QUIET I THINK THE MEASURES THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING TO DOING A SOCIAL DISTANCING AND DOING THEIR PHYSICAL DISTANCING IS TRULY MAKING A DIFFERENCE HOSPITALS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, SPECIFICALLY IN OTTAWA, PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT ARE MAKING SURE WE HAVE CAPACITY TO SURGE IF WE SAW INCREASED VOLUME BUT RIGHT NOW, I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE THE MEASURES THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE >> Ian: I’VE HEARD THAT FROM AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN IN METRO VANCOUVER, FROM A DOCTOR IN EDMONTON, THE SAME KIND OF STORY AND ALL, LIKE YOU, POINTS OUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING BUT AMONG YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES, IS THERE ANY UNEASE OR ANXIETY AT ALL ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A SURGE? >> YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF ANXIETY AND LOW MORALE EARLY ON IN TERMS OF WHEN COVID STARTED TO COME UP I THINK WITH THE INCREASE IN VOLUME SO WE ARE STARTING TO SEE MORE CASES AND WHEN YOU GET TO BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE CASES, THINGS SEEM TO, IN TERMS OF ANXIETY, HAVE SETTLED DOWN YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FACT THAT THINGS HAVE GOTTEN QUITE STABILIZED — LIKE, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE WITH ALL CERTAINTY, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COPE AND THE FACT THAT WE CERTAINLY HAVE CAPACITY AND HAVE CREATED CAPACITY IS VERY REASSURING >> Ian: IT’S REASSURING FOR US TO HEAR THAT MESSAGE WE HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE AND WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE FOR PEOPLE WATCHING NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS AND ONE, THANK YOU AS A FRONT-LINE STAFF, AS A PERSON THAT SEES THE IMPACT COVID CAN HAVE ON PATIENTS AND CAREGIVERS, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR PART AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE’S A LOT OF UNSUNG HEROES IN TERMS OF BATTLING COVID-19 LIKE THE PERSONAL CARE WORKERS THAT HELP TURN PATIENTS AND ASSIST WITH CARE THE RESPIRATORY THERAPISTS AT THE BEDSIDE PUTTING THEMSELVES AT HIGHEST RISK OF CONTRACTING COVID-19 AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN OUR PATIENT’S CARE

THE NURSES, THE PHYSIOTHERAPISTS, ALSO A LOT OF UNSUNG HEROES THAT ARE PROVIDING EXCELLENT CARE AND PUTTING THEIR LIVES AT RISK I HONESTLY WANT TO THANK THEM AND I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE FOR DOING THEIR PART >> Ian: IT’S A REALLY NICE MESSAGE BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT AS WE SHOULD ABOUT DOCTORS AND NURSES, BUT AS YOU POINT OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING HARD INSIDE THOSE HOSPITALS DR. KWARDO, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME >> Ian: LET’S GO TO TORONTO NOW AND HEATHER >> Heather: THANK YOU AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU IMAGES I’M SURE YOU WILL REMEMBER, AMONG THE MOST STRIKING MASS GRAVES ON NEW YORK’S HARD ISLAND THE MORGUE WAS FULL COVID-19 HAS UNLEASHED CHAOS IN NEW YORK STATE IT’S A PLACE THAT OFFERS PERSPECTIVE AND LESSONS FOR US HERE IN CANADA DR. ROBIN VARGESE IS A PHYSICIAN IN NEW YORK BUT RIGHT NOW HE IS TRYING TO GET CONTROL OVER COVID-19 DR. VARGESE, WELCOME, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING HOME FOR THIS TOWN HALL >> THANK YOU >> Heather: YOU’RE JUST COMING OFF SHIFT AT MT. SINAI HOSPITAL, YOUR HOSPITAL, AND HOW HAS IT BEEN TONIGHT? >> WE’RE AT A DIFFERENT STAGE OF THE DISEASE PROCESS NOW, WHERE WE’VE PEAKED, IT SEEMS AND WE’RE RECOVERING PATIENTS AND WE’RE SEEING THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AND SEES PATIENTS IMPROVE IT’S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THREE WEEKS AGO IN THE SURGE PHASE WHERE WE WERE OPENING UP INTENSIVE CARE UNITS AND FILLING THEM UP IN HOURS HERE AT MT. SINAI, AT THE MAIN CAMPUS, THERE IS 120 INTENSIVE CARE UNITS FOR EXAMPLE IN CARDIOVASCULAR SURGERY, WE HAVE 20 ICU BEDS WE FILLED THEM UP AND OPENED UP ADDITIONAL SURGE UNITS AND PATIENTS WOULD REQUIRE INTENSIVE CARE AND THESE PATIENTS REQUIRE A LOT MORE CARE THAN THE STANDARD PATIENT AND WE’VE HAD TO REPURPOSE A LOT OF STAFF TO HELP US OUT AFTER THE SURGE PHASE, THEN WE GOT INTO A PHASE WHERE THE PATIENTS SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE NOT GETTING BETTER AND WE COULD NOT SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL WE’RE SEEING ONCE INTUBATED, IT TAKES TEN DAYS TO TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE SEE THE IMPROVEMENT AND THAT’S WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WE’RE GETTING THE BREATHING TUBES OUT AND PATIENTS ARE LIBERATED FROM THE VENTILATOR AND THEY’RE WAKING UP AND WE’RE SEEING THEM SMILE AND WE CAN GIVE THEM A THUMBS-UP THEY’RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WILL SEE THEIR LOVED ONES SOON >> Heather: FOR YOU BEING THERE, WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BEING ABLE TO OFFER THAT OPTIMISM TO THOSE COVID-19 PATIENTS? >> IT’S ENCOURAGING TO US AS STAFF MEMBERS BECAUSE DURING THIS TIME, THEY’RE HEAVILY SEDATED AND WE DON’T KNOW THEM AS A PERSON ASIDE FROM WHAT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TELL US THEY WAKE UP AND WE CAN HEAR THEIR STORIES AND IT’S PATIENTS WHOSE HANDS WE’VE HELD NOT KNOWING WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE OR THE OUTCOME WOULD BE, JUST TELLING THEM THAT WE’RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST AND GET THEM THROUGH IT AND NOW WE’RE SEEING SOME OF THE PATIENTS COME THROUGH IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE INTUBATEDTWO COUSINS, BOTH VERYD TWO WEEKS LATER, THEIR BREATHING TUBES CAME OUT AND BOTH LEAVING THE INTENSIVE CARE UNITS SO GREAT STORIES >> Heather: I WAS ANTICIPATING DARK NEWS BUT I’M HAPPY BECAUSE NEW YORK CITY IS SO MUCH AHEAD OF CANADA IN TERMS OF WHERE THE SURGE IS DR. ROBIN VARGHESE, THANK YOU >> Ian: IT IS NICE TO HAVE SOME SURPRISING GOOD STORIES THERE THE SCENES OUT OF NEW YORK CITY HAVE BEEN STRIKING TIMES SQUARE IS COMPLETELY EMPTY AND THE SAME IN TORONTO AND HERE IS DWIGHT DRUMMOND >> Reporter: IAN, USUALLY THIS AREA WOULD BE FILLED WITH TOURISTS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN TORONTO’S DOWNTOWN TOWERS BUT AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, THIS AREA IS EMPTY MANY OF THE CITY’S BEST-KNOWN LANDMARKS FROM THE CN TOWER TO THE ROGERS CENTRE ARE ALL CLOSED AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE TAKING PRECAUTIONS AND ISOLATING THEMSELVES BUT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN ONTARIO HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND MORE THAN 400 HAVE DECIDE DIED MANY DEATHS ARE IN LONG-TERM CARE HOMES AND THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT LIKE BRITISH COLUMBIA IS PREVENTING STAFF MEMBERS FROM WORKING AT MORE THAN ONE LONG-TERM CARE HOME >> WE HAVE SOME BUSHFIRES AND

WE’LL PUT EVERY RESOURCE WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON THE LONG-TERM CARE RIGHT NOW >> Reporter: THE DANGEROUS WORK THAT PEOPLE IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR ARE DOING IS CERTAINLY BEING APPRECIATED BY THE PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE EVERY NIGHT PEOPLE ARE BANGING POTS AND PANS IN NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS ONTARIO AND AT CBC TORONTO, WE’VE BEEN ASKING OUR VIEWERS TO PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON THEIR OWN FRONT-LINE HAFER ROWS IT WAS INSPIRED BY DR. GRAY MUNON WHO WANTED TO CELEBRATE PEOPLE HE WAS SEEING DURING IMPORTANT WORK EACH DAY >> I WANTED TO BRING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF HUMANITY TO THIS CRISIS AND PUT A FACE AND A QUOTE BEHIND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BOTH DIRECTLY RELATED IN HEALTHCARE AND MORE PERIPHERAL TO HEALTHCARE >> Reporter: AS DR. MUNON SAYS, WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS IF WE ALL STAY TOGETHER AN IMPORTANT REMINDER DURING THESE DIFFICULT TIMES DWIGHT DRUMMOND, CBC NEWS, TORONTO [ ♪♪♪ ]

[ ♪♪♪ ] >> Heather: WEATHER YOU’RE WATCHING ON C.N. TELEVISION, “CBC NEWS NETWORK,” ONLINE AT CBCNEWS.CA OR TUNING INTO SIEGE RADIO, WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL VIRTUAL TOWN HALL, COVID-19 IN CANADA IF YOU’RE JUST JOINING US TONIGHT, WE ARE ASSESSING CANADA’S SITUATION TO DEFEAT A NEW AND KILLER DISEASE I’M HEATHER HISCOX IN TORONTO >> Ian: WE’VE HEARD A WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES IN OUR FIRST HOUR AND WE’LL BRING YOU MORE INSIGHTS FROM HEALTHCARE WORKERS, A COVID-19 PATIENT AND WE’LL CHECK IN WITH OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE CBC NEWSROOMS FOR THEIR LOCAL PERSPECTIVES BUT WE’LL BEGIN THIS HOUR WITH ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT VOICES IN THE NATION-WIDE RESPONSE >> Heather: THROUGHOUT THIS CRISIS, CANADA’S CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER, DR. THERESA TAM HAS BEEN OUT IN FRONT TELLING THE CANADIANS IN THE BRIEFINGS WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW, AS SCIENTISTS GATHER THE BEST INFORMATION AND DR. TAM JOINS US NOW WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAMME, DR. TAM >> HELLO, I’M HAPPY TO BE HERE >> Heather: AS I WATCHED TODAY LIVE, THERE WAS AN OPTIMISM WHEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT HOW THE RATE HAS SLOWED IN THE COUNTRY AND HOW CASES WERE DOUBLING EVERY THREE DAYS AND NOW WEEK DOUBLING EVERY TEN DAY WHAT DOES THAT TELL US WHERE WE ARE ON THE CURVE? ARE WE STILL ON THE UPSWING? >> WELL, IT’S TOO EARLY TO TELL, BUT IT’S A REALLY GREAT SIGN THAT THE EPIDEMIC SEEMS TO BE SLOWING DOWN AS YOU SAY, THE RATE OF DOUBLING OF OUR CASES HAVE SLOWED DOWN FROM EVERY THREE DAYS TO EVERY TEN DAYS I’M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T NECESSARILY SEEN THE PEAK YET AND SOMETIMES WE WON’T ACTUALLY KNOW THAT WE’VE PASSED THE PEAK UNTIL WE’VE ACTUALLY PASSED THE PEAK BUT MY MAIN MESSAGE WAS, GOOD JOB, CANADIANS I THINK ALL OF YOUR WORK HAS HELPED US SLOW DOWN THE EPIDEMIC ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT MUCH WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE NEED EVERYBODY TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE GOOD WORK IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DISTANCING OR STAYING AT HOME, WASHING YOUR HANDS AND THE HYGIENIC MEASURES IS HELPING US SLOW DOWN THIS EPIDEMIC, BUT WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW THAT WE’RE DOUBLING DOWN TO ENSURE THAT WE GET PASSED THE PEAK AND SLOWLY LET OURSELVES DOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CURVE >> Heather: THAT STRONG, CONSISTENT MESSAGE YOU HAVE DELIVERED EVERYDAY AT YOUR BRIEFING YOU RAISE SOMETHING BECAUSE I’M WONDERING WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN WE’RE AT THE PEAK? >> WELL, AS I SAID, OUR DATA CAN SOMETIMES LAG A LITTLE BIT, SO WHEN SOMEONE IS INFECTED OR EXPOSED, THEY NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR AND MAY NEED TO BE TESTED AND THEY GET REPORTED SO THERE IS A TIME LAG OFTEN OF ABOUT TWO WEEKS OR SO FROM THAT TIME TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY DETECT THE CASE AND SO, WE’RE PRETTY CAUTIOUS, BUT WE KNOW THAT MANY OF THE MEASURES THAT WE’VE PUT IN PLACE IN CANADA HAPPENED AROUND THE MIDDLE OF MARCH TO THAT WEEK THAT HAS JUST PASSED, THE 15th OF MARCH OR THEREABOUTS, AND WE KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT GOOD WORK, THE RESULTS OF WHICH SHOULD BE OBSERVABLE AROUND THIS TIME SO THAT’S WHY I’M KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON HOW THE EPIDEMIC IS EVOLVING AND I’M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THIS GROWTH RATE HAS BEGAN TO SLOW DOWN >> Heather: THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT? AND LET ME PUT IT TO YOU IN THE WORDS OF CARMEN CHOY >> IN A COUNTRY AS BIG AS IN CANADA, HOW ARE WE AS A NATION GO ABOUT RELAXING WITH THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING MEASURES WHEN THE TIME COMES? EACH PROVINCE AND TERRITORIES HAVE ITS OWN NUMBERS AND THE PASSENGERS ARE DIFFERENT WILL THE PROVINCE AND THE TERRITORIES GO ABOUT DOING THAT AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND IF SO, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF DOING THAT? >> Heather: SO HOW DO WE REOPEN, DR. TAM? AND PUT POLITICS ASIDE, WHAT ARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH CRITERIA FOR LIFTING THE LOCKDOWN AND REOPENING THINGS? >> WELL, IN ORDER TO MOVE WHAT WE CALL THE NEW NORMAL, BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THAT WE’LL BE REVERTING BACK TO LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEFORE THE START OF THIS PANDEMIC WAVE, BECAUSE THE POPULATION IMMUNITY IS LIKELY SO LOW WE NEED TO GET A BETTER HANDLE OF WHAT THAT POPULATION IMMUNITY IS BUT THE FIRST THING AND OUR KEY FOCUS, IT’S REDUCING TRANSMISSION TO A VERY LOW LEVEL AND THAT MEANS TESTING

THAT MEANS CONTACT TRACING AND MAKING SURE WE ISOLATE CASES AND QUARANTINE THE CONTACTS THAT MUST STILL CONTINUE AND WITH THAT, WE’LL BE ABLE TO TEST USING SOME OF THE NEW TESTING THAT WE WILL BE MAKING AVAILABLE, SUCH AS ANTIBODY TESTS TO SEE WHAT LEVEL OF IMMUNITY WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE CANADIAN POPULATION WE WILL THEN ALSO BE ABLE TO ADJUST THOSE PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES ACCORDINGLY EVEN IF WE MAINTAIN, WE NEED TO PHYSICAL DISTANCE BECAUSE OF THIS VIRUS IN CANADA AND I THINK THE VIEWER WHO IS POSING THE QUESTION IS RIGHT IN THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT EPIDEMICS GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY BRITISH COLUMBIA MAY BE DIFFERENT TO ONTARIO WHICH MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TO THE COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTH, FOR EXAMPLE SO THE HELP IS CONTINUOUSLY TRACKING WHAT’S HAPPENING ACROSS THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CANADA THE TIMING MAY BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE >> Heather: THE CAPABILITY OF THE COUNTRY IS NOT WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND IT IS A KEY CRITERION FOR ALLOWING SOCIETY TO RETURN TO NORMAL AND FOR THINGS TO REOPEN >> Ian: OUR NEXT GUEST IS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS A LOT ABOUT COVID-19 SHE SEEMED TO RECOVER AND HAD THE ALL CLEARED ISOLATION AND THE STORY KEEPS CHANGING MELANIE FORNEY WORKING IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR AND HAS BEEN TOLD TO ISOLATE FOR ANOTHER WEEK AND JOINS US NOW FROM MONTREAL IT SOUNDS LIKE IT’S BEEN A LONG, FRUSTRATING STORY, MELANIE AND HOW ARE YOU FEELING TONIGHT? >> PHYSICALLY, I’M FEELING FINE AND EMOTIONALLY, I THINK I’M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I WAS HOPING TO ALL CARED TO GO BACK TO WORK AND DOING WHAT I LOVE DO AND NOW I HAVE TO ISOLATE FOR ANOTHER 14 DAYS >> Ian: LET’S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, 25 DAYS, I UNDERSTAND, SINCE YOU FIRST STARTED FEELING SYMPTOMS WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE LIVING WITH COVID-19? >> WELL, THE FIRST, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TEN DAYS, WAS THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE AND I WAS VERY, VERY ILL I HAD TO STAY AT HOME I HAD NO HELP I WAS PANICKING I WAS SO SICK AND I REALLY HAD TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF THANKFULLY, I DIDN’T GET TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS CRITICAL AND I NEEDED HOSPITALIZATION AND HAD TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ON MY OWN SINCE THE 12th OR 13th DAY, I’VE BEEN FEELING FINE, JUST LIKE I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A COLD AND NOW I FEEL 100% >> Ian: AND SO, DURING THE TIME THAT YOU WERE FEELING MORE SICK, WERE PEOPLE CHECKING OR WERE YOU CHECKING WITH PEOPLE BY PHONE OR HOW DID YOU MAKE THE DECISION THAT EVEN AS SICK AS YOU FELT, YOU WEREN’T SICK ENOUGH TO CHECK IN AT A HOSPITAL? >> WELL, WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS TO BASICALLY STAY AT HOME AS LONG I COULD AND THAT IF I WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY BREATHING OR I COULDN’T BREATHE OR CATCH MY BREATHE, THAT’S WHEN I NEEDED TO CALL 9-1-1 >> Ian: YOU HAVE TWO TEENAGERS AT HOME, AS WELL AND I GUESS THEY HAVE NOT TESTED POSITIVE HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO KEEP YOUR INFECTION AWAY FROM THEM? >> YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT WE SHARE A KITCHEN AND BATHROOM AND THEY DON’T SHOW SYMPTOMS YET THEY’RE SELF ISOLATING AND WE’RE TRYING TO BE AS CAREFUL AS WE CAN BUT THEY HAVEN’T SHOWN ANY SYMPTOMS YET >> Ian: YOU’RE IN A STRANGE SITUATION FEELING A LOT BETTER BUT TECHNICALLY STILL HAVE COVID-19 SO WHAT’S NEXT FOR YOU? >> SO, BECAUSE I WORK IN THE HEALTH SECTOR THEY WANT ME TO TEST EVERY WEEK TO SEE IF I’M STILL POSITIVE

I JUST PASSED MY FIFTH COVID-19 TEST AND IT WAS STILL POSITIVE AND I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER WEEK BEFORE I GET TESTED AGAIN >> Ian: OF COURSE, WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN TERMS OF STAYING HEALTHY AND TESTING HEALTHY AS WELL MELANIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> THANK YOU >> Ian: LET’S GO BACK TO HEATHER IN TORONTO >> Heather: THANK YOU SO MUCH, IAN AND WE’LL GO BACK TO TORONTO AND EDMONTON AND TO REJOIN OUR EXPERT TONIGHT, DR. SAXSINGER, A MEMBER OF THE FACULTY OF DENTISTRY IN ALBERTA I’M DELIGHTED TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS WITH YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING OUR GUEST AND ANSWERING VIEWER QUESTIONS LOU JANE HAS ONE FOR YOU AND LISTEN LET’S TOGETHER >> HI, I’M FROM LONDON, ONTARIO, AND I’M WONDERING IF THE CANADIAN BLOOD SERVICES ARE SCREENING BLOOD DONATIONS FOR COVID-19 AND IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO BECOME INFECTED DUE TO THE TRANSMISSION OF DONATED BLOOD? >> Heather: THAT’S AN INTERESTING QUESTION WHAT DO WE KNOW IN THE DISEASE, IN THE EVOLUTION OF TRANSMISSION OF THE BLOOD? >> WELL, EVERYTHING IS AN EVOLUTION, AS YOU’VE SAID I THINK WE HAVEN’T SEEN CASE REPORTS THROUGH BLOOD TRANSFUSION I BELIEVE THIS VIRUS DOES HAVE THE POSSIBILITY BEING FOUND IN THE BLOOD FOR A BRIEF PERIOD DURING INFECTION, BUT THAT’S NOT 100% CLEAR AND WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO OUR EXPERIENCES WITH SARS IN 2003, THAT DIDN’T APPEAR TO BE A BIG RISK PEOPLE MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSION BECAUSE SOME HAVE BEEN USING THAT TO MONITOR FOR PRESENCE OF DISEASE FOR THE TESTING OF ANTIBODIES, FOR EXAMPLE AND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF SO BLOOD TRANSFUSION DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE HIGH RISK FOR TRANSMISSION OF COVID AND I THINK WE WILL BE SEEING BLOOD TRANSFUSION SCREENING FOR COVID INCREASINGLY, BOTH TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO ENSURE SAFETY OF THE BLOOD SUPPLY, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT’S A PRELIMINARY ANSWER >> Heather: WE HEAR ABOUT THE CANADIAN BLOOD SERVICES TO DONATE BLOOD AND THEY CONTINUE TO WANT TO PROVIDE TO PATIENTS WHO NEED IT THIS PERSON WAS SICK WITH A RESPIRATORY ILLNESS IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AND HOW DO THEY KNOW IT WASN’T COVID-19? THEY HAD A FEVER, A COUGH AND DIFFICULTY BREATHING? >> SO DECEMBER AND JANUARY WAS BEFORE WE HAD DOCUMENTED TRANSMISSION IN THIS COUNTRY OF COURSE, THE POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT HAVE ARRIVED WITH TRAVELERS, BECAUSE DECEMBER WAS REALLY A BIG MONTH IN CHINA AND, I THINK THE WORLD BECAME MORE AWARE AT THE END OF DECEMBER IT’S NOT IMPOSSIBLE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WERE STILL IN THE THROES OF A FAIRLY BAD FLU SEASON AT THE TIME AND THERE’S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD IT WAS INFLUENZA PEOPLE WHO HAD A COMPATIBLE ILLNESS DURING THE PERIOD COVID WAS AROUND WOULD BE ABLE TO BE TESTED TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANTIBODIES WHICH WOULD DOCUMENT IF YOU HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY INFECTED AND ALL OF THE PROVINCES ARE LOOKING AT HOW TO USE THAT TESTING ONCE IT’S AVAILABLE SO THE ANSWER IS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND OUT IF THEY DIDN’T HAVE A SWAB BUT NOT QUITE YET >> Heather: DOCTOR, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT BACK TO YOU IN VANCOUVER >> Ian: A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY ASSOCIATE THIS WITH CROWDED CITIES BUT IT SPARES NO COMMUNITY OR PROVINCE AND LET’S HEAR FROM NORTH BEAT FOR A NORTHERN PERSPECTIVE >> Reporter: I’M HERE IN YELLOWKNIFE WHERE IT’S LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, QUIET SO FAR THE NORTH HAS 13 CASES OF COVID-19, EIGHT IN YUKON, ZERO IN NUNAVUT AND FIVE IN THE NWT WHAT’S BEEN AN INTERESTING TOPIC OF DEBATE IS HOW THE TERRITORIES ARE DISCLOSING INFORMATION ABOUT WHICH COMMUNITIES HAVE COVID-19 THE NWT AND YUKON HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE TO NOT NAME COMMUNITIES, CITING PRIVACY REASONS NUNAVUT SAYS IT WILL NAME COMMUNITIES WITH CASES IN AN EFFORT TO LESSEN WIDE-SPREAD PANIC NUNAVUT HAS SEVEN VENTILATORS AND THAT MEANS ANY PATIENT ON A VENTILATORS MUST BE MEDEVACED TO A SOUTHERN HOSPITAL MEANWHILE, PEOPLE IN THE NORTH ARE ALSO HELPING IN THE LARGER EFFORT TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID-19 EARLIER THIS MONTH, THE NWT CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTHSTER USED EMERGENCY POWERS TO GIVE MEDICAL SERVICES TO MAKE HAND SANITIZER NOW HEALTH CANADA IS FAST-TRACKING LICENSING FOR 62-DEGREES NORTH SANITIZER FOR THE NORTH’S HEALTHCARE FACILITIES >> Heather: SO COMPANIES LIKE

THOSE JUANITA WAS HIGHLIGHTING, PRODUCING THINGS WE NEED SO BADLY, SHOWING THE SPIRIT OF CANADIANS PITCHING IN AND FINDING WAYS TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER >> Ian: WE HAVE MORE EXAMPLES AS WE GO TO BREAK AND CANADIANS BEING, WELL, CANADIANS >> PRODUCING MEDICAL COMPONENTS AND SPECIFICALLY FOR SUPPORTING THE SHORTAGE IN VENTILATORS >> SO, YEAH, WE’RE ACTUALLY HELPING FEED THE FRONT-LINE WORKERS >> WE TOUCHED 6500 PEOPLE IN NOVA SCOTIA EVERYDAY AND THIS WILL IMPACT NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WE TOUCH BUT THEIR STAFF AND THIS IS A MAJOR EFFORT >> WE WANT TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES THEY’RE ON THE FRONT LINES RISKING THEIR LIVES AND FAMILY’S LIVES AND WE JUST WANTED TO HELP >> 25,000 IN NOVA SCOTIA, 25,000 FOR THE COVID-19 RESPONSE FUND AND THERE IS A NEED IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT >> THEY’RE RISKING THEIR LIFE FOR US TO BE SAFE SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THEM AND THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE MEAL WHILE THEY’RE SAVING LIVES [ ♪♪♪ ] HENDERSONVILLE WELCOME BACK TO

OUR VIRTUAL TOWN HALL, COVID-19 IN CANADA THERE ARE 31 DEATHS IN LAVAL SINCE MARCH AND FIVE CONNECTED WITH COVID-19 AND THE CAUSES ARE UNDETERMINED LEEANNE, YOUR STORY IS ALMOST UNBEARABLE, BUT HEAR IT WE MUST YOUR MOTHER, CAROL STEWART, HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK YOU’LL HAVE HER? >> ACCORDING TO THE DOCTOR YESTERDAY, 72 HOURS TO MAYBE 48, YEAH AND SHE’S IN PALLIATIVE CARE NOW >> Heather: SHE’S IN PALLIATIVE CARE AND CHOSE NOT OTHER TREATMENT >> CORRECT >> Heather: TELL ME ABOUT THAT DECISION >> THAT WAS DECIDED PRIOR BECAUSE SHE WAS BEDRIDDEN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND FOR HERSELF, SHE DIDN’T FEEL SHE HAD A QUALITY OF LIFE AND I RESPECTED THAT WE DIDN’T EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN LIKE THIS OR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVEN’T SEEN HER IN THREE WEEKS ALMOST >> Heather: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, YOU’VE HAD THAT DIFFICULT DISCUSSION TO DETERMINE HER WISHES, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SEE HER AND WHEN WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE HER AND HOLD HER AND SAY YOUR GOODBYES? >> I HAVEN’T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY YET THE HOSPITAL WILL CALL ME THEY USUALLY HAVE AN IDEA WITHIN HOURS OF WHEN SOMEBODY WILL PASS SO THEY’LL CALL ME WITHIN A FEW HOURS AND I’LL GO TO HOSPITAL AND SEE HER BUT AT THIS POINT, MOST LIKELY, SHE WON’T BE LUCID AT ALL BUT I’LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY GOODBYE THE LAST TIME I SAW HER WAS MARCH 20th >> Heather: WAS THAT THE DAY YOU FOUND OUT SHE HAD COVID-19? OR HOW DID YOU COME TO LEARN THAT? >> THAT WEEK SHE HAD NOT BEEN FEELING WELL AND I OFTEN GO AND VISIT HER AND I KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING INTO SOCIAL DISTANCING I WASN’T GOING TO GO SEE HER AND AT THIS POINT, THE RESIDENTS, NOR THE HOSPITAL HAD LOCKED DOWN YET BUT I WANTED TO GO AND EXPLAIN TO HER THAT I WOULDN’T BE VISITING SO I WENT ON THE FRIDAY AND I SPENT A FEW HOURS THERE AND I WALKED OUT THE DOOR AND THEY CALLED ME AND SAID THAT THEY WERE LOCKING DOWN >> Heather: AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE OF THAT, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO THE STAFF ABOUT THE FACT YOUR MOTHER TESTED POSITIVE, HOW DID THEY RESPOND WHEN THEY FOUND OUT SHE, TOO, HAD COVID-19? >> WELL, SHE HAD GONE TO THE HOSPITAL TWICE AND THE SECOND TIME, I’M THE ONE WHO CALLED THE RESIDENCE AND SAID YOU NEED TO CALL AN AMBULANCE THE FIRST TIME MY MOTHER HAD GONE ON THE FRIDAY, I THINK IT WAS THE 24th OR 25th AND SHE HAD FALLEN OUT OF BED, AND I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED BUT SHE FELL OUT OF BED AND THEY SAID SHE HAD A FEVER I THINK, ACTUALLY, COVID WAS IN THE RESIDENCE, THAT’S MY GUT FEELING I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THEY KNEW ABOUT THAT THEY SENT HER TO THE HOSPITAL THE HOSPITAL CALLED ME THE NEXT DAY TELLING ME THEY WERE RETURNING MY MOTHER TO THE RESIDENCE BUT THAT THEY HAD TESTED HER COVID BECAUSE THERE WAS A CASE IN HER RESIDENCE BUT THEY SENT HER BACK AND THAT, APPARENTLY, WAS PROTOCOL, THOUGH >> Heather: AND YOU VISITED, OF COURSE, AT THIS TIME AND YOU YOURSELF HAVE CONTRACTED COVID-19 WHAT ARE YOUR REGRETS IN ALL OF THIS LEANE? >> REGRETS? I GUESS MY BIGGEST REGRET IS THAT SHE WAS STILL THERE I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HER OUT PRIOR BUT THEY WERE NOT VERY TRANSPARENT IN LETTING US KNOW THE SITUATION THAT WAS GOING ON IN THE RESIDENCE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE SUNDAY WHEN I CALLED, BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN TEXTING ME, SAYING SHE WASN’T WELL SHE WAS COUGHING UP BLOOD I CALLED THE NURSES DESK ON HER FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THAT NURSE WAS NOT AWARE SHE ADD COVID I THINK I WAS LETTING HER KNOW >> Heather: IT HAS BEEN, IT SOUNDS, JUST THE WORST POSSIBLE SITUATION FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND WE HOPE FOR YOUR HEALTH, LEANE, AND WE’LL KEEP

YOU IN OUR PRAYERS THANK YOU FOR BEING OUR GUEST IAN? >> Ian: WE HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG THAT COVID-19 IS DIFFICULT FOR OUR ELDERS AND WE WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN DEALING WITH GERIATRIC MEDICINE, THE DIRECTOR OF GERIATRICS FOR TORONTO’S UNIVERSITY HEALTH NETWORK HOSPITALS DR. SINHAU, WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD THAT STORY, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION? >> HONESTLY, IAN, MY HEART BROKE IT WAS JUST SO SAD HEARING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON FOR AWHILE AND HOW RESIDENTS WERE SUFFERING AND JUST THE SCENES THAT THE FIRST RESPONDERS SAW WHEN HE GOT IN THE DOORS, PEOPLE THAT WERE DEAD AND ABANDONED IT’S SOMETHING WE HEARD ABOUT HAPPENING IN SPAIN BUT NOBODY BELIEVED THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN CANADA AND THEN IT DID MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THOSE FAMILIES AND ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE EVER HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTRY >> Ian: IN MONTREAL, THE POLICE SAY THEY HAVE BEGUN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND IS IT A ONE-OFF, A TERRIBLE EXCEPTION OR ARE THERE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT LONG-TERM CARE HOME THAT ARE A BIT OF AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT’S HAPPENING ELSEWHERE? >> I’M HOPING IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT WE NEVER SAY NEVER, NEVER SAY ALWAYS WE HAVE OVER 1,000 HOMES IN THE COUNTRY IN OUTBREAK AS OF LAST WEEK, THERE WERE 813 IN QUEBEC ALONE AND OVER 10% OF ONTARIO’S HOMES ARE NOW IN OUTBREAK, B.C. AND ALBERTA HAS STRUGGLED, AS WELL AND IT JUST TELLS US THAT MANY HOMES RIGHT NOW IN TORONTO, IN OTHER PLACES, THEY’RE STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN THEIR STAFFING LEVELS THEY’RE STRUGGLING TO GET THE TESTING DONE THEY’RE STRUGGLING TO FIND PPE AND THIS IS WHY, I THINK, IN ONTARIO TODAY, THE PREMIER CAME OUT ANNOUNCING AN ACTION PLAN SAYING WE NEED TO ACTUALLY DO MORE THINGS TO STABILIZE THE SITUATION SO WE DON’T HAVE ANOTHER INCIDENT HAPPEN AGAIN >> Ian: WE HAVE HEARD STORIES ABOUT BAD CARE AT LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES FOR EDERLY PEOPLE MY ENTIRE LIFETIME AND MANY ARE WONDERING, WILL THINGS CHANGE AFTER THE COVID-19? >> THERE ARE 4,000 PEOPLE IN CARE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THESE HOMES AND THE FAR VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORKERS IN THESE HOMES ARE HEROIC INDIVIDUALS DOING INCREDIBLY PERSONAL CARE MANY HAVE DEMENTIA AND BEHAVIORAL ISSUES AND THEY HAVE TO WASH THEM, FEED THEM AND SUPPORT THEM AND I DON’T THINK — I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT’S COME LOUD AND CLEAR DURING THIS WHOLE CRISIS IS IT HAS EXPOSED HOW POORLY WE TREATED AND HOW LARGELY THIS POPULATION OF RACIALIZED WOMEN WORKERS WHO WE’VE NEVER REALLY DIGNIFIED ON THE MAJORITY WITH FULL-TIME PAY, WITH BENEFITS AND SICK DAYS, THING THAT MY COLLEAGUES GET IN MY HOSPITALS BUT THINGS THEY HAVEN’T GOTTEN THAT ALONE STARTED CREATING A CHALLENGE OF TURN-OVER, STAFF, PEOPLE GETTING A JOB IN A HOSPITAL BECAUSE IT WOULD PAY BETTER AND THAT’S WHERE IT ALL STARTED I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WHEN WE TRY TO FOCUS ON WHY THINGS HAVE GONE WRONG IN THE PAST, THINGS WILL HAPPEN ANYWHERE WE WORK, BUT I THINK THIS SITUATION HAS SHOWN HOW PRECARIOUS THIS WAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT SHOWS THERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGE AND THERE ARE PROVINCES MAKING MAJOR CHANGES THAT I THINK WILL BE PERMANENT AND LASTING >> Ian: THOSE KIND OF CHANGES ARE CERTAINLY WITHIN OUR CONTROL THANK YOU FOR THE INSIGHT DIRECTOR OF GERIATRICS FOR THE NETWORK HOSPITAL BACK TO HEATHER IN TORONTO >> Heather: WE’LL GET A PERSPECTIVE FROM A PROVINCE THAT ALL THINGS CONSIDERED IS DOING QUITE WELL CONTROLLING COVID-19 CONFIRMED CASES IN ALBERTA HAVE NOT SPIKED THE WAY WE HAVE SEEN ELSEWHERE AND WE’VE SEEN THE PROVINCE SHOWING ITS SURPLUS OF PPE HERE IS NANCY CARLTON OF CBC EDMONTON >> Reporter: THANKS, HEATHER I’M HERE IN OLD STRATHCONA IN EDMONTON YOU WOULD SEE PEOPLE HERE HAVING COFFEE, SHOPPING, IT HAS GREAT NIGHT LIFE I HAVEN’T BEEN HERE IN A FEW WEEKS AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, IT A REALLY, REALLY STRANGE COVID-19 COMPLETED A TRIPLE WHAMMY FOR THIS PROVINCE AND THAT’S ACCORDING TO PREMIER JASON KENNEY

THE PROVINCE IS ALREADY DEALING WIT GLOBAL ECONOMIC DOWN-TURN COMBINE THAT WITH LOW OIL PRICES AND THIS PANDEMIC WAS THE LAST THING THE PROVINCE NEEDED AS IT TRIES TO TURN THINGS AROUND CALGARY HAS BEEN HIT THE HARDEST THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF CASES THERE AND THERE’S AN OUTBREAK AT A CONTINUING AIR CENTRE THE McKENZIE CARE CENTRE HAS HAD MORE THAN 12 DEATHS IN THAT ONE FACILITY ALONE I HAVE TO NOTE THAT ALBERTA HAS NOT BEEN HIT AS HARD AS OTHER PROVINCES OUR HEALTH MINISTER, TYLER SHEANDRO SAYS OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS POISED TO HANDLE WHENEVER THIS PANDEMIC PEAKS SO IT GOES TO SHOW THAT EVEN THOUGH WE KEEP HEARING WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER, IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CANADA IS IN THIS TOGETHER NANCY CARLSON, CBC NEWS, EDMONTON >> Ian: WELL, AS WE’VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, STREETS ACROSS THE COUNTRY MAY BE EMPTY, BUT CANADIANS ARE STILL OUT AND MAKING WONDERFUL SOUNDS >> Heather: WE’VE BEEN CAPTURING SOME OF THEM TONIGHT AND AS WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK, A LITTLE MORE MUSIC TO SHARE THIS IS JUST WEST OF TORONTO WHEN THEIR CONCERT WAS CANCELED, THEY MOVED THEIR CONCERT ONLINE HERE IS THE STRING’S PROGRAMME AND A LITTLE STARSHIP FOR YOU, NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP US NOW [ ♪♪♪ ] [ ♪♪♪ ] >> Ian: COVID-19 HAS

TRANSFORMED THIS COUNTRY’S HOSPITALS, ALWAYS VIGILANT, DOCTORS AND NURSES ARE NOW HYPERSENSITIVE TO THIS NEW THREAT THAT CAN ENTER THE EMERGENCY ROOM AT ANY TIME COHOST TO “THE NATIONAL,” ADRIENNE ARSENAULT WAS GRANTED ACCESS TO THIS HOSPITAL HERE IS DR. NINJEE SPEAKING WITH ADRIENNE >> THE HARDEST PART WAS WHEN THAT FAMILY MEMBER IS WEEPING AND WHEN THAT FAMILY MEMBER IS BEGGING YOU TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN AND WHEN THAT FAMILY MEMBER CAN’T BE HERE, IT’S IMPORTANT TO LET THE FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW THAT I’VE SPOKEN TO AND ANYONE ELSE IN THAT POSITION THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE >> Ian: ADRIENNE JOINS US NOW AND REMARKABLE ACCESS FOR YOU AND OUR CREW TELL US WHAT DOCTORS ARE NOTICING WITH THE PATIENTS WHO ARE COMING IN? >> Adrienne: WELL, FIRST, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT I’VE SEEN WITH THE DOCTORS, EVERYTHING DR. NIMJEE WAS REITERATED BY EVERYBODY ELSE IN THERE AND THAT’S GENUINELY HOW THEY FEEL PART OF WHAT DISTURBS THEM IS THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO BE AFFECTED VERY, VERY QUICKLY PATIENTS THAT CAME IN NOT DOING GREAT AND WITHIN A HALF AN HOUR, THEY NEED TO BE INCIDENT FEW IND WITHIN A 15-MAN WINDOW, THEY-MIE ARE EMOTIONAL PHONE CALLS AND THEN THEY’RE ALONE AND I THINK THAT DISTURBS THEM AT LEAST THEY WERE TELLING THEM IT DISTURBS THEM HOW QUICKLY AND HOW YOUNG SOME OF THE PATIENTS ARE THEY KEEP REITERATING, IT’S NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF A VIRUS THAT ATTACKS THE EDERLY BUT IT’S ATTACKING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE >> Ian: THEY END UP BEING ALONE AND FAMILIES HAVE TO STAY OUT THERE AND TELL US MORE ABOUT TAKING A TERRIBLE SITUATION IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND MAKING IT EVEN WORSE >> Adrienne: YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TERRIFIED AND A COUPLE OF STRANGE THINGS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM IT DOESN’T FEEL THAT BUSY YOU LOOK AROUND AND SOME OF THE BAYS ARE EMPTY AND THAT’S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TOO SCARED TO GO TO THE ERS AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, PLEASE COME, WE’RE HERE TO HELP YOU WE MET AN EDERLY WOMAN WHO CAME AND SHE WAS CLEARLY VERY SAD AND AFRAID TO BE ALONE AND THERE WAS A LANGUAGE BARRIER AND THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE DOCTORS, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PHYSICALLY BE THERE AND COMFORT SOMEONE, BUT THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR DISTANCE AND THE PPE CREATES THIS BARRIER THAT MUFFLES THE SOUND OF THEIR VOICES AND IT’S HARD TO SEE THEIR EYES AND MUFFLES THE HUMANITY AND DOESN’T ERASE IT AND I THINK THAT’S A STRAIN FROM WHAT MANY OF THE NURSES AND DOCTORS TOLD US, THAT THEY SEE HOW SAD AND ALONE THE PATIENTS ARE AND THEY’RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO TRY TO HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT >> Ian: I RECOGNISE WHERE YOU’RE STANDING, BUT IT’S WHERE YOU STAND FOR “THE NATIONAL.” >> Adrienne: I MISS YOU >> Ian: I MISS YOU, TOO >> Heather: OUR FINAL PERSPECTIVE AS WE HEAD OUT EAST TO ANTHONY GERMAIN WITH A BEAUTIFUL FEW FROM St. JOHN’S >> Reporter: I’M AT CAPE SPARE, I PLACE I KNOW YOU HAVE VISITED, THE MOST EASTERBLY PLACE IN NORTH AMERICA AND CHECK THIS OUT, NOBODY IS HERE IT’S ALL BAN BECAUSE OF COVID-19

THE COVID-19 STORY HERE ON THE ISLAND PORTION OF THE PROVINCE, AT LEAST, IS ONE OF ALMOST PREMATURE RELIEF ONE OF THE BIGGEST CLUSTER INFECTIONS IN THE COUNTRY HAPPENED LAST MONTH IN THIS FUNERAL HOME INFECTIONS EXPLODED A MESSAGE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID ANOTHER CLUSTER AND THE HEALTH MINISTER IS BECOME SOMETHING OF A QUIRKY PANDEMIC CELEBRITY >> SHOPPING CAN NO LONGER BE A FAMILY ACTIVITY DON’T TAKE YOUR CHILDREN WITH YOU AND PLEASE DON’T LET THEM LICK THE HANDLES ON THE SHOPPING CART IF YOU USE TINDER OUR GRINDER AND YOU SWIPE RIGHT, YOU MIGHT GET MORE THAN YOU BARGAINED FOR >> Reporter: THE FISHERY CLOSED IS NO LAUGHING MATTER AND NOBODY IS CERTAIN WHEN IT WILL REOPEN THE ECONOMY IS THE BIG STORY IN THIS PROVINCE IT’S BEEN SPENDING MONEY LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN POWER WE NEED TO GO TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST TO BORROW MONEY WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON OUR DEBT IN THIS PROVINCE THAN WE DO ON THE ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM POLITICIANS AREN’T TALKING RECESSION THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE 1930S AND ANOTHER GREAT DEPRESSION NO MATTER HOW THIS CRISIS ENDS, ONE THING IS ALMOST CERTAIN AND THAT IS NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR WILL BE KNOCKING ON CANADA’S DOOR ASKING FOR HELP BECAUSE WE’RE BROKE METH IF YOU WANT ANY TIPS

DEALING WITH SELF-ISOLATION, ONE OF THE BEST PEOPLE TO ASK IS CHRIS HATFIELD, THE CANADIAN ASTRONAUT CHANTEDDED A MISSION THAT WENT ON FOR MONTHS ISOLATION, HE KNOWS AND HE IS WITH US TONIGHT HELLO, CHRIS >> HELLO, IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE JOINING YOU AND IT’S A GREAT SERVICE TO BRING US TOGETHER THANK YOU FOR THAT >> Heather: THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF THAT I NEED A BOOTER SHOT OF YOUR COUNCIL WE WERE SPEAKING WHEN ALL OF THIS LOCK-DOWN WAS STARTING AND A MONTH LATER, WE’RE HEARING THIS WILL BE THE STATE OF THINGS FOR WEEKS, MONTHS HOW DO WE STAY THE COURSE >> THE SAME THING HAPPENS ON A SPACE FLIGHT YOU THINK I’VE BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE AND MAYBE I’M GETTING CLOSE TO THE END, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW FOR SURE LIKE THE CREW UP ON THE SPACE STATION NOW, WHEN YOU’RE COMING HOME THIS WILL GO FOR AWHILE BUT WE’RE DOING WELL THE MEASURES PEOPLE ARE TAKING ARE HAVING THE EFFECT WE WANTED THE MEDICAL SYSTEM TO A LARGE DEGREE IS KEEPING UP BUT WE HAVEN’T LANDED THIS SPACESHIP AND WILL REQUIRE THE RESILIENCE PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL UNIFIED IN THEIR DEFEAT OF THE COMMON ENEMY TAKE PRIDE IN OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER >> Heather: I REMEMBER YOUR FELLOW ASTRONAUT ONCE TELLING ME, THAT WHEN YOU’RE UP IN THE SPACE STATION, YOU LOOK DOWN ON EARTH AND THERE ARE NO BORDERS IT’S ONE PLANET, ONE PEOPLE SO YOU MORE THAN ANYONE MUST HAVE A SENSE THAT WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? >> ONE OF MY CHILDREN, EVAN SAID TO ME, AS WELL, YOU KNOW, IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET IS FACING THIS SAME PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, THE SAME RISK, THE SAME DANGER AND IT’S IMPACTING THEIR LIVES THE SAME WAY AND THAT CAN BE QUITE DISTURBING, BUT IT CAN BE IMMENSELY UNIFYING SO GO AROUND THE WORLD IN 90 MINUTES, YOU REALLY GET THAT SENSE OF ONENESS, OF THE PLACE THAT WE’RE ALL UNBELIEVABLY IN THIS TOGETHER IF YOU CAN GO AROUND IN 90 MINUTES, IT’S NOT A BIG PLACE IF WE CAN REMEMBER THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RECOVERING FROM THIS SLOWLY OVER THE NEXT MANY MONTHS, REMEMBER THE LESSONS OF THAT, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY UNITE AND PULL TOGETHER AS A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ELECTIVELY AND GLOBALLY WE’RE NOT PERFECT, BUT THIS IS A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO ALL FIGHT THE SAME ENEMY >> Heather: WE LEARNED IN YOUR MISSION HOW IMPORTANT MUSIC IS TO YOU AND IN A COUPLE OF SECONDS, WE’RE GOING TO HEAR A DEBUT OF A NEW HADFIELD PIECE OF MUSIC AND CAN YOU TELL ME QUICKLY WHAT IT WILL BE AND WE’LL LISTEN TO IT >> MY WHOLE FAMILY ARE MUSICIANS AND MY BROTHER DAVE HAS WRITTEN A LOT OF SONG WE WROTE SONGS TOGETHER FROM SPACE AND HE WROTE THIS SONG PARTIALLY FOR OUR FAMILY AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO LISTEN CALL IT’S A QUARANTUNE >> Heather: COUNTRY, THANK YOU, AND YOU’LL PLAY US TO BREAK AND IT’S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH ♪ JUST BE HAPPY IF YOU’VE GOT A HOME ♪ JUST BE HAPPY IF YOU’RE NOT ALONE ♪ DIDN’T IF YOU ARE, PICK UP THE TELEPHONE ♪ ♪ STAR TALKIN’ OR LISTEN, GO WALKIN’ OR FISHIN’ ♪ THE TIME YOU THINK YOU DON’T OWN ♪ WE STAND APART, BUT WE STAND TOGETHER ♪ LIKE PLAYERS ALL ON THE FIELD ♪ WE STAND APART, BUT WE STAND TOGETHER ♪ TO WIN, WE NEVER CAN YIELD ♪ YES, TO WIN, WE NEVER WILL YIELD >> Ian: WELCOME BACK

A BEST SELLING AUTHOR, A FUTURIST AND A CANADIAN WHO IS LIVING IN GLAND >> Heather: HE HAS BEEN COPING WITH ISOLATION IN HIS OWN WAY AND HAS THE PERCEPTION OF THE CHANGE WE MAY SEE AND HE’S LIVE FROM THE U.K. AND WELCOME TO YOU, CHRIS >> HI, GOOD MORNING [ Laughter ] >> Ian: WE WOULD LIKE TO END THE SHOW, CHRIS, WITH KIND OF A LOOK FORWARD AND CHRIS HADFIELD, THE FORMER ASTRONAUT TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS A SHARED EXPERIENCE THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD ARE HAVING STUCK INSIDE THEIR HOMES DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BRING US CLOSER TOGETHER OR PUSH US FARTHER APART? >> IT WAS BEAUTIFUL TO LISTEN TO CHRIS SHARE THE EXPERIENCE FLOATING ABOVE THE PLANET AND HAVING A SHARED EXPERIENCE AS A PLANET BECAUSE AS A SOCIAL SCIENTIST, I CAN’T HELP BUT FEEL THAT WE MAY NEVER AGAIN SEE OUR OWN WORLD AS CLEARLY AS WE CAN SEE IT RIGHT NOW AND SO IT’S JUST SO IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AROUND AND RECOGNISE SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE WEREN’T OBVIOUS BEFORE BUT WERE JUST LYING IN THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE SO MUCH I THINK ABOUT THE POSITIVE WAYS TO COME OUT OF THIS IS TO GOING TO COME FROM OUR AWARENESS IN THE PRESENT >> Heather: CAN I JUMP IN ON

THAT, CHRIS? YOU CALL YOURSELF SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AND ENVISIONS A BETTER FUTURE IN THE MIDST OF THE HARDSHIP AND PAIN AND ANXIETY THAT SO MANY ARE FEELING, IT’S DIFFICULT TO SEE A BETTER FUTURE HOW DOES IT LOOK TO YOU? >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IS IS FABULOUS OPPORTUNITY TO SEE REALITY MORE CLEARLY YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES JUST TAKE THE REALITY OF WORK I THINK WE ALL CONNECT MUCH MORE CLEARLY NOW TO HOW SO MUCH UNPAID LABOUR MAKES WORK POSSIBLE [ Laughter ] >> AND SO HOW MUCH OF OUR ECONOMY DO WE MEASURE AND WHAT IS PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITY? THAT’S AN EXCITING QUESTION WE CAN BE ASKING OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE THAT SEEMS TO HIT ME IN THE FACE IS HOW WE THINK ABOUT PROGRESS WE LIVE IN A MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE A FETISH ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGY IS WHAT DRIVES HUMAN PROGRESS AND ALMOST NOTHING ELSE WE SEEM TO THINK AND NOW WE LIVE IN THIS MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE THIS POWERFUL PERSONAL PROOF, ALL OF US THAT FLATTENING THE CURVE IS A SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY COULDN’T HAVE US WITH THAT YES, TO HELP US RECOVER, FIND A CURE, BUT NOT DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM AND SO IT GIVES US THIS BEAUTIFUL QUESTION TO ASK OURSELVES NOW WHICH IS, WHAT ARE THE OTHER CURVES THAT WE COULD BE FLATTENING? WE KNOW WE HAVE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT IT’S POSSIBLE >> Ian: I HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS SHOULD SAY THEY CAN’T WAIT FOR LIFE TO GET BACK TO NORMAL, THE NEW NORMAL THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO SEE HOCKEY GAMES >> BREAK UP 2020 IN REGINA >> Ian: THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE [ Laughter ] >> Ian: DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT BE OVERSTATING IT TO THINK SOCIETY MAY BE DIFFERENT IN A FUNDAMENTAL WAY? WILL WE REVERT TO THE KIND OF LIVES WE HAD BEFORE AND FOR MANY WHAT WE EMBRACED BEFORE? >> SO IAN, THAT IS THE CHOICE THAT WE FACE RIGHT NOW I THINK WHAT HAS BECOME SO CLEAR IS THAT WE HAVE BECOME DANGEROUSLY ISOLATED AS A COUNTRY, AS A PEOPLE, AS A PLANET ONE FROM THE OTHER AND THAT ISOLATION IS SOCIOECONOMIC GAPS, EDUCATION GAPS, SOCIAL MEDIA WHICH HAS BROKEN THE SHARED EXPERIENCE OF A BROADCAST INTO THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF A NEWSFEED IT IS JUST HOW ISOLATED WE HAVE BECOME FROM ONE ANOTHER BY HOW FULL WE PACK OUR TIME THERE’S TO TIME LEFT JUST TO DISCOVER AND MEET OTHER PEOPLE AND NOW WE COME TO THIS MOMENT WHERE WE RECOGNISE, WE DEPEND UPON THE CAPACITY TO BE AND THINK AND ACT SOCIAL TO FACE SOME OF THE GREATEST RISKS WE FACE NOW AND WE’LL CONTINUE TO FACE SO WHERE DO WE GO TO DEVELOP THAT CAPACITY, TO BE, THINK AND ACT SOCIAL? WHERE IS THE SOCIAL HABITAT WE DEVELOP THAT? AND WE’VE BEEN DESTROYING THAT HABITAT IN A LOT OF WAYS? SO THE QUESTION IS TO COME OUT OF THIS SAYING, NO, WE WILL ALL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE HUNGERED TO DO AND HAVE STARTED DO RIGHT NOW WHICH IS TO CULTIVATE THAT HABITAT FOR OURSELVES AND FOR ONE ANOTHER >> Ian: WE HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND READ YOUR BIGS CHRIS KUTARNA JOINING US FROM THE U.K. AND THANK YOU >> Heather: AND AS WE THINK ON VALUES AND SO MUCH OF LIFE AS WE’VE KNOWN IT HAS CHANGED FOREVER YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WE’VE TRIED TO STRIKE A BALANCE WHERE THERE IS THAT HARDSHIP AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE’S A HUNGER AND I USE THAT DELIBERATELY FOR GOOD NEWS, FOR HOPE, PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE PROOF WE ARE STILL CONNECTED AND HOW WE’RE LIFTING EACH OTHER UP AND I’M STRUCK BY THAT TONIGHT AS I AM EVERY MORNING I THINK IT HAS TO INFORM THE WAY WE COVER THE STORY IN THE DAYS, WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME >> Ian: IT’S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING ON THIS WITH YOU AND THAT IS OUR TOWN HALL THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT >> Heather: AND PLEASE STAY WITH CBC NEWS FOR MORE ON COVID-19 TONIGHT, “THE NATIONAL” IS NEXT [ ♪♪♪ ]