Virtual Town Hall with James Shaw and Marama Davidson

Welcome everyone and thank you all for letting me know that I was muted I am now free to talk Haere mai, haere mai Welcome everyone, come on in, it’s really great to have you all here and we’re just going to take a few minutes here at the beginning, just to give everyone a chance to arrive. I just wanted to say it’s nice to have you all here I’ve got the background behind me but I’m currently in my work office because I’m deemed essential enough to be travelling to work, so it’s very nice to have you all virtually with me in my therapy room which feels very nice for me and it’s nice to welcome you all in. We are just going to take a few more minutes, probably another minute or so just to let people arrive. So just to say a couple of things- feel free to use the chat function to let us know where abouts you are in the country and where abouts you’re joining us from and for anyone here who has not been on zoom before, all the participants are currently muted but what we will be doing, is we will be taking questions via the chat function so over the last few days those have been coming in but we will be taking questions throughout so feel free to fire those through as we get into the meeting and Rosalee who’s helping me out tonight will be sending those through along with a speaking order and we hope to get through some of those questions we may not get through all of them and the ones that we don’t, we hope to answer afterwards so welcome on in So I’m just putting up the gallery view which for those of you who are first-time zoom users you might just want to chuck your hand up if this is the first time you’ve ever been on a zoom call before- now that’s great so there’s quite a few first time zoom users so let me just orient you quickly to a couple of things the first thing is there’s a speaker versus gallery view. If you just want to see the person that’s speaking chuck it onto speaker view, if you want to see how many people are here, and currently there’s about four pages of you, which is wonderful, you can put that onto the gallery view and we will be recording this meeting and adding subtitles later for accessibility reasons. So without any further ado and I’m aware of the time I’m gonna hand over first of all to Marama who is going to open the meeting for us and open things for us with a karakia, I believe Kia ora koutou, so a thumbs up please if people can hear me? Beautiful, thank you very much I’m going to open up things up with a karakia, this karakia was written by the brilliant Scotty Morrison who many of you may know blesses our television screens often with Te Karere so, Tūtawa mai i runga, Tūtawa mai i raro, Tūtawa mai i roto, Tūtawa mai i waho, Kia tau ai, Te mauri tū, te mauri ora, Ki te katoa Haumi e, hui e, tāiki e That is, ‘come forth from above, come forth from below, come forth from within and from the environment Vitality and well-being for all strengthened in unity’, kia ora koutou katoa If I can just quickly show everybody and apologize also, I’m coming to you from a tent in my backyard and I just wanted to acknowledge that like many people who are adjusting to a new way of having to work at home, my bubble is quite a large bubble and spaces to work from home are at a premium so I apologize. We’re trying to do the best I can with noise and what-have-you and but I’m coming from a tent so I will quickly end up muting because I can hear the rain! That’s brilliant, excellent! I’ll put the virtual background back on now and I believe from here, we’re actually going to, I’m actually going to hand you straight over to James which is a good thing because the rain is getting stronger from my end for now and I will be speaking with you all shortly, kia ora Kia ora Marama, thank you for that and we are now just going to jump across to James who’s going to talk about the Government response; James? Tēnā koutou katoa, ngā mihi, kia koutou, good evening everybody and it’s lovely to have you on So quite clearly our Government’s

main priority for the past several weeks in terms of the decisions that we’ve made have been around making sure that everybody in New Zealand and our families our whānau are as safe as they can be and to slow the spread of COVID-19, of the virus. So the result of that is immediately obvious to everyone right, and on Wednesday night we went into level four alert which means that basically the entire country other than essential services is completely shut down and we all are largely confined to our homes So I just want to say thank you on behalf of everybody, actually, for doing your bit by and helping the save lives by and staying at home I know that there’s been quite a lot of media stories about exceptions – people who have kind of done silly things like whole COVID parties or have gone for group walks or you know those sort of things but actually those are the exceptions rather than the rule and the vast majority of New Zealanders are actually doing what is what is necessary for us to do and that is remaining at home other than for walks to the pharmacy or to the supermarket It is too early to tell how successful that strategy is You’ll see obviously everyday there’s news with an increase in the number of cases identified Very sadly yesterday we had the first death related to COVID-19, but we are doing the things that are necessary as a country and those things can only work if everybody works together. So there’s been a lot of use of the language of ‘apart together’, and actually this has been a time over the last few days where we have seen New Zealanders really come together obviously not physically, but as human beings and so we’re really encouraged by this It is of course still quite early. We’re almost through our first week but obviously the strains of the situation will grow rather than diminish as the days pass on and so as that happens, I just want to encourage everyone to keep checking in with your families and with your colleagues and your co-workers to make sure that they’re okay and that they’re getting the kind of support that they need There is obviously another component to this which will become more obvious over the course the last few days and that is to ensure that as many people as possible stay employed and continue to have work and that everybody has access to all of the most essential products, food, goods and services that they need and so you know you’ve seen again a lot of talk about essential businesses and essential supplies and so on and the ability of those things to remain open of course over these few weeks. That’s not without controversy, you know, there are there are lots of things that we might consider to be essential but the principle here is that we need to really close down and person-to-person contact as much as is logistically possible and so what that has meant is that we’ve had to restrict what businesses can stay open or how they can operate to an extraordinary degree This is of course only the third time that a National State of Emergency has been declared in New Zealand and so it does come with some quite extraordinary circumstances and so that was a decision that I know that our Government did not take very lightly and it was with great reluctance that we felt that the situation warranted it But so far it looks like vast majority of New Zealanders agree that these extraordinary times call for some extraordinary measures so the short version is, you’re doing great, New Zealand is doing great, it’s probably going to be tougher before it gets easier but we’re off to a good start and for that you and your families and your co-workers and so on have to be commended, so thank you

Thank you James/ Thank you for those reassuring words and for the clarity and just to remind people that we are going to have time for questions so feel free to to pop those through on the chat they will be going through directly to Rosalee and at the time that we have left at the end I’ll be addressing some of those questions for James and Marama But I’m going to hand back now to Marama who is also going to say a few words, Marama Kia ora koutou, I’m just pleased that the rain has stopped a little more so I hope that that’s going to be a little bit clearer hearing for everybody. Look I just want to acknowledge again that I’m going into this stay home situation for our country has been exceptionally hard for many different people in many ways I want to reassure people that we as MPs and all of our staff and our teams are seeing it and hearing and feeling every single day the many challenges that people are facing as we go down into this stay home situation and I want people to know we’re definitely working through in passing those issues on with our Government partners. But I have to be very clear how grateful I am for the generosity and community spirit that we have seen across the country- big actions, small actions, down at the neighborhood level, the flax-roots level, people helping out and we were only ever going to get through and help to try and stop the spread of this virus with everyone trying to step up- Government as James mentioned went threw quite a lot of changes and assistance in many different forms but it was always going to be the community leadership that was going to be essential and I’ve seen it everywhere and so a big thanks, a big thanks. I also just wanted to acknowledge again our frontline and essential workers who we know are going out every single day leaving their families, some I know, I’ve got various households and my extended whānau who have had to put their children in isolation in a whole other home so that they don’t put their children or the elderly people at risk. I know that people are making all sorts of sacrifices to keep going to work so that we can continue to survive and to function as as normally as we possibly can in these not normal circumstances. So I just wanted to add my heartfelt thanks and acknowledgement of knowing how this has been for many people some of those issues will be picking up of course and through our questions and thank you for making me and making the Greens really proud in the aroha and the manaaki that we have seen throughout our neighborhoods. Kia ora Kyle back to you Kia ora Marama, so what we have now is, we’ve got seven questions that came through via Instagram primarily, I believe, and some of them are sort of questions that were asked the number of times that we’ve collected into a single question and some of them were seemingly quite important questions for us to focus on. As I said feel free to fire more questions through on chat and we’ll get to as many as we can but James this first question is for you: So why are some places open in some places ain’t? What’s the reasoning for this? For example why are some grocers and why are some butchers not open, why aren’t places that provide PJ’s and heaters considered an essential service, especially when heading into winter? That’s a great question and so like I said my sort of introductory remarks, the principle that were operating through here is to reduce the person-to-person contact as much as possible across the whole country and there are some businesses where we think that we’re able to manage the kind of processes and systems that they have to sort of minimise not just contact between people but also from a person to a product to another person That kind of handling of whether its food or some kind of product or something like that Because of course the virus can live on surfaces for up to a few days and so one of the things that we need to do is to make sure that the organisations that stay open have got really good processes and we can’t guarantee it across the country So the things that have remained open- I mean the main thing is to

make sure everyone’s got access to food and make sure everyone’s got access to medicines which is why and the supermarkets and the pharmacies have remained open I actually went into the pharmacy today and they’ve set up the pharmacy that I go to has set up a barrier at the door so that you can’t go into the store and then the pharmacist actually comes over and stands two meters away and says what do you want and then they have till set up by the door with a pay wave and so on. So they’ve really thought through how to minimise the handling The dairies have remained open because there are some people for whom getting to a supermarket is actually just not a viable option particularly people who have accessibility issues so we have let dairies stay open but with quite strict controls so for example they can only have one person in the store at once, those strict one-in-one-out rules and also they can’t sell food that they’ve prepared on the premises they can only sell prepackaged goods, and the vast majority of their goods are Now, when it comes to things like electric blankets and heaters and those sort of things, what we are going to be doing is stores like the Warehouse or Briscoes will be able to sell those items online and have them delivered because we recognise a lot of people often leave those sort of purchases up until the first big cold-snap, which of course if you’re Wellingtonian, you’ve just had your first big-cold snap so people in wellington certainly are aware that winter is coming and so that service is not yet available and that’s because it’s not very easy for those businesses to only sell some items through their website and not others and they’ve got to reorganise their whole online promised arrangement and the reason why we’re restricting it just to those goods, so things like electric blankets and heaters and so on, is because again we’re just trying to minimise person-to-person transmission and we also want to make sure that people who just want to buy a nice vase or a lamp or those sort of things aren’t clogging up the system and you would have seen that the supermarkets have been struggling to meet demand for online home delivery and so we don’t want to replicate that through your Briscoes and your Warehouses and so on But the intention here is that those kinds of goods will be available online soon and when and when they’ve managed to get it up and running But the basic principle here is to really minimise the points of contact and that’s why so many businesses have had to shut Great, thank you James and I didn’t have to interrupt you because you went exactly to time Oh what is my time? Four minutes- I should have said that. I was actually going to interrupt the speakers with one minute to go but you hit it on the head so there we go So the next question that I have is for Marama How is the Government checking in on vulnerable and marginalised communities to see if they are okay? And I will just give you one minute when you get close to the time Sure thing. We’re very aware that those with the least resource and the least support, those families, people and communities are going to need to have a strong voice and to have those issues raised as a priority and The Green Party is proud to be well-placed to be able to take those voices into all of the decisions that we are making because that has been a priority for us across many terms and across our kaupapa so we’re very conscious that often the best people, the people and the organisations who are best place to check-in on those with the least resource and the least support are those grassroots community groups, NGOs Not Government departments solely at all, and that’s why last week we announced a 27 million dollar package to go towards helping those frontline community groups and NGOs who are the best placed and who have the relationships and the respect of

people who are really struggling in their respective communities to be able to support them to do their work, to continue to provide their essential service work, like providing food, finding a place for people to live, supporting people with a disability and supporting families to live lives safely so domestic violence organisations We’re very aware that we need to support those organisations to do their work in a way that is safe and keeps the wellbeing and minimises contact so that we can stop the spread and minimise the spread So that’s something that we were very proud to have worked with that was announced last week. There is other targeted support there is something in the pipeline, for example, looking at what Pacific communities might need we have already had an announcement to support Māori communities and Māori business, as another example That targeted work will continue to happen, kia ora Thank you Marama, also very efficient with the time Question three, what lessons, this is for James, what lessons do you think we can bring forward when this crisis is over? It’s a really great question and there will be a list as long as my arm or longer actually I think of lessons we can learn I mean certainly, looking at a New Zealand context it does show that the level of preparedness that we have for a pandemic, we had a pandemic plan and all that kind of stuff which was created in the absence of reality, if you like, and and now we’re testing it against reality So far it’s holding up reasonably well but there are a thousand kind of incidents every day that occur that show the kind of contingencies that we hadn’t thought of and so those kinds of things There’s a lot, I think personally, here to learn about how fragile the global system is when it comes to things like travel and supply chains of goods and services, manufacturing of things like medicines and medical supplies and all that kind of stuff, to the point where every single country in the world is looking for respirators and testing kits and rubber gloves and masks and you name it It sort of shows, and maybe this is confirmation bias, but it sort of shows what the Greens have been saying for some decades and which is that a more sort of distributed network style economy is actually more resilient than a mess of hub-and-spoke type arrangement which is what we’ve currently got although we’re very rapidly re-writing it I think there’s also a lot here we can learn about how we hang together as families and as businesses and as communities in terms of the sort of setups that we’ve got there are probably a lot of and in fact I know that there’s actually quite a lot that we did learn from the Christchurch Earthquake and the recovery that we’ve actually already started to apply to say there were some things that we did really well during the Christchurch recovery, and a number of things that were done very poorly during that and let’s not repeat the mistakes of the past So it’s certainly something that I’m very interested, is making sure that we catalog those things and not just -I mean we will be sort of rushing towards recovery as fast as we can- but we need to make sure that as we do that, that we build for a better future and not just go back to the old ways and that we had leading up to this point Kia ora, thank you James and just a reminder, if you are there and you’re listening and another question pops into your mind feel free to fire that through on the the chat and this next question is for you as well James What are your plans in regards to animal welfare? Alright so that’s actually the primary reason why vets have stayed open and because animal welfare is at risk and particularly on farm animal welfare at a time like this and so that is something that the Government is is paying attention to and making sure that humans are looked after

and have everything that they need and but also those that we share the planet with are also We actually have had some questions about why a vet is considered essential services because they don’t provide a service to humans and but actually you know animal welfare is very important Thank you. Now, the next question for Marama, why is there no rent freeze while landlords get a six months mortgage repayment holiday? Really important question, everybody needs to be able to continue to live with decency including people who rent So the first thing is it’s not a mortgage holiday as such that has been negotiated, and that is a direct negotiation with people’s banks, it is a deferral so they still have to continue to pay down all of the debt and what I don’t want to see is people who rent, that their rent is just backed up as a debt and that they then have to pay their rent plus that debt on top of the rent So we hear that concern and it needs to be taken seriously that when people have reduced income and when the current Government assistance either doesn’t cover your rent or nearly gobbles it all up, that we know this is of serious concern I’m just going to do a quick sound check because we may come back to me Can people still hear me through that rain? Okay I’ll keep going So we’re hearing that concern very clearly and are taking that through with our relevant Government ministers to try and work through that solution to make sure that people can still afford to live, can still afford to pay their other bills and get good healthy kai that they need At this time, while landlords might get a six month mortgage repayment holiday, sorry repayment deferral, they’re still going to be left with those payments to make. But I understand that this is something of serious concern, so what we have negotiated is that no one will be able to be evicted and there are people aren’t able to pay your rent for 60 days that we will still not be allowing evictions over this time of the lockdown, and that’s something that we negotiated and also that there is a freeze on rent increases even if your rent was due to increase before the lockdown no rent can increase during this lockdown period Precautions for prison staff and inmates to keep them safe? Sorry Carl who is that question for? Sorry that was to Marama as well I’ll repeat the question. Are there enough precautions for prison staff and inmates to keep them safe? I may ask if you can go to James Okay I’ll wait for this rain a bit James, okay Yeah it sounds like you’re getting the rain that we’ve hit the last couple of days it’s pretty intense and much-needed in the North I have to say So yeah, at the moment what’s happened is we have restricted visits to prisons in order to make sure that we don’t get community transmission within a prison and actually as long as that remains true then there is little to no danger of transmission but is it something that Kelvin Davis, who is the Minister of Corrections, is very concerned about and they are looking at contingency planning At the moment however what they’re saying is that actually the prisons are secure and that the chances of transmission into a prison environment are minimal Okay that’s reassuring to hear and James this next question is for you as well What opportunities are there for advancing the Green Agenda? Well I mean obviously at this point in time we’re just dealing with the single greatest crisis that the country has seen since World War Two and trying to make sure that the impact on New Zealanders is as minimal as possible, although it will I have

to say, still be very significant. We also know that part of the recovery effort is going to be the Government spending frankly a colossal amount of money on a huge public works program in virtually every sector from housing to transport to energy to waste to conservation to rail, to forestry- you name it and that the effort there is going to be on things that get people back into employment because we know we’re going to see a big jump in unemployment in the coming months things that are distributed around the country and into the regions and in the provinces and also things that start to resolve some of the really long-term challenges that New Zealand has Now, I’m going to put my climate change hat on for a second There is a an economic crisis about every ten years on average now and what happens is when that occurs everybody hunkers down and goes okay well we just need to focus on getting through the crisis and we’ll worry about climate change and the environment later you know once we get back to business and we’ve got the money to kind of afford those little luxuries Crisis goes on for about two or three years and you slowly recover and after about four or five years you get back to a level of equilibrium where everybody’s like okay pretty good and things look like we’re back on a roll and we start to look to the longer term and we go oh well we really do need to do something about climate change that lasts for two or three years and then you have another crisis and repeat the cycle And so, actually that is one of the primary reasons why New Zealand has done such a poor job of reducing our greenhouse gas emissions over the course the last 30 years Because every ten years or so it’s punctuated by one of these moments and and that really slows us down and we also have this temptation to say look things are really bad I just want them to go back to the way they were before the crisis and so then what we do is we pump our economic regeneration activity into the same old brown economy that got us into this mess in the first place rather than into the green economy for the future We cannot do that anymore we just don’t have time, so we know that coming up the other side of this crisis we have to do that in a way that locks us into a green pathway of a low emissions economy that works for everybody, not back into the same old, what I call the dirty brown economy that we had before the crisis We were part of those conversations as part of the Government and I know that there’s an openness to that and in the design and I think an understanding that in the past, when we’ve built our way out of the crisis that we haven’t always done a very good job of it, and so it is very early days but I think that we have an opportunity here to ensure that as we build back that we build it in such a way that puts us on a central pathway to the New Zealand that we want Kia ora, thank you James so that’s the end of the questions that we had preset We’re now going to move to some of the questions that have been coming through via the chat So let me just have a look here, and so the first one is a question again for you James from Pam from Nelson Can we expect the same clarity and transparency if the situation deteriorates to the point where experts can see that two or even three month isolation will be required? I believe so yes, I mean it’s very important to the Prime Minister that people are really clear about what the situation is and what it requires of all of us and what it requires at the Government. I think she’s done a pretty good job so far of providing that kind of clarity of direction for the country so I know that it’s personally important to her and I also know that along the way a lot of mistakes are gonna be made because we have very imperfect information and the situation is incredibly fluid and very dynamic and we’re responding to things pretty much every single day, and so there will be moments and where it feels like we don’t have that clarity and that transparency but certainly that is the intention Okay thank you Rosalee and I have decided that because we do have time

we’re going to take a speaking order and unmute people individually to ask their own questions which is great So the first person I have here on my speaking order is Emma Koch, I hope I pronounced that correctly Hi Emma, go ahead Kia ora, hi. I’ve got an unusual question so I want to introduce the concept of household sufficiency. This would be the house of production of needs provisions. So for that we would need neighborhood centre support We can see the deficit, we need an economic reset The first concept that pops into my mind, with home earning and learning schemes, which would be really well needed now. As psychosocial support is an essential industry, an essential service, then it would benefit us to have neighborhood centres open even if we didn’t use them they could be lightly staffed through a crisis and over the coming years, it’s 2020 we’ve got COVID, 2021 we don’t know what it’s going to be. It’s going to be a flood or earthquake, so we need to build community resilience and we need mid-level structures that connect micro level households macro level government Government and also industry So that is that a concept that has entered into the political discourse on the national level? James or Marama, which one of you would like to jump on that one? Marama? Marama here, happy to have a go. Not specifically down to that detail, Emma, no in terms of that sort of in-home level of thinking But I think that a broader community consciousness about prioritising collective health and mental, psychological well-being for everyone is something that The Green Party is particularly well placed to be able to input in those discussions at all levels And what I want to say is what Grant kept saying, which is that nothing is off the table right now So I think this is the time for those ideas to come through Emma, your idea is a really good example of what we can be looking to as we rebuild our country, kia ora [background noise] Thank you Emma, and apparently you need it in the rubbish. Lovely to hear Pam in Nelson, you have a question on transparency. Please go ahead I think we’ve had that one Was that the one I read out? Yes it was okay So next on the speaking order is Ian Wells. Ian? Hi I have several questions, but I’ll just ask one question, and that’s there’s a lot of pressure because of the disease, of tracking individuals and I know some countries are pretty- don’t respect human rights or privacy very much What’s The Green Party doing to protect our privacy as the pressure increases to track people to keep us healthy? James, Marama, who would like to put their hand up for that one? James, go ahead Yeah so that that’s definitely a live conversation in cabinet because because when you declare a State of National Emergency, that does come with some fairly extraordinary and wide-reaching powers and so particularly now also that we’ve mostly closed down Parliament, you know, we’ve had to sort of change how Parliament operates in order to ensure that there’s still a level of check and balance over the Executive is as we go through this the Privacy Act still applies right, so and that law hasn’t changed and won’t change I know that there are things that are in development, using technology in order to improve our ability to track and trace but that’s still got to meet the requirements of the Privacy Act and so the Privacy Commissioner has to be involved in approving those kind things I also know that I’ve had some correspondence, from people for example, who worry about the fact that the police can stop them when they’re out for a walk and send them home or possibly detain them Unfortunately, you know, having those powers is necessary at a moment like this because of Public Health and Safety and they’ll probably get trialed more as the weeks go by and then they have in the last few days

But what the police have told us so far, is that the vast majority of people if they’ve come stopped them to have a conversation is that they didn’t realise what the restrictions are So I’m pretty comfortable with where things are at but that’s certainly something that we are keeping an eye on Thank you James. Next on our speaking order is Katya Katya and Mike? Is that correct? Yeah, I asked a number of questions, so I’ll just keep it to one that concerns everybody and that’s is there a plan to roll out comprehensive community-wide testing and I’m going to use my own situation as an example and that’s that I’ve had a flu-like virus and I’ve never been tested to confirm or deny COVID-19 I do not believe it is COVID-19 as it has lasted longer than 14 days that using that as an example there could be people in the community spreading it and not knowing that they have it So is there any sort of plan to roll out a comprehensive community-wide test? So there are new forms of testing that are becoming available over time. At the moment what we’re saying, is that people who exhibit symptoms should get a test If you have a range of symptoms that are close to it then, you probably should try and insist on on getting on getting tested the rate of testing has dramatically increased over the course the last week in fact, so I think about a week ago, we got up to about a thousand tests a day and I think in the last 24 hours we’ve got up to about 3,200 tests a day. So that is increasing and I do know that there are work streams happening at Ministry of Health for different types of testing that you could move much more quickly in across a broader population group but they’re not the same as the sort of tests that we’ve been using because those are ones that require a swab which then gets into a lab. It takes about 24 hours to turn around and so then you don’t get the results for a sort of 24 to 48 hours and what you’re talking about which is essentially testing as much of the population you can, you need a different type of test Marama here, can I just add that the Prime Minister sent a very clear directive today that now that we’re at the increased capacity of over 3,000 tests a day, urging all clinicians to really use their discretion and test people if they think they need to be tested, so there’s definitely a move in that direction of broader wider testing But I support what James has said about the community level testing I also had a test today Oh good! I was denied a test Oh okay On what grounds? A certain GP did not think I needed it despite having symptoms Okay so Katya, the best thing for you to do is to drop us an email about that, but I mean the Prime Minister I don’t think could have been any clearer if people are exhibiting symptoms then they should be tested Okay I will drop you an email Okay thank you Katya Next up we have Thomas with, a question about small business I believe Yeah hi, I’m just making these shields for local health providers with my 3D printer and getting getting into this- yeah it’s kind of cool, and the local doctors they’re really happy to get those because they had literally not that much anyway I’m making as many of those as I can but just before the session here my little printer had a bit of a wobbly and I’m worried I won’t be able to get the spare parts if I need them It’s really interesting that I had to rely on community contacts to get these clear visor plastics, they’re actually cover sheets from reports that Real Estate agents put on their things and so I can’t order this right now, there’s no way to get it I can’t order it, I can’t order the printing material for my 3D printer either so

luckily I’m a teacher and I knew at school there was some and there was an exception made for me to go and get some and get some of the material that I’m not using and so it’s extremely hard, it puts a puts a focus on the fact that our society is so extremely networked that if you break those chains then perhaps a lot of essential services will crumble on stupid little things that they can’t get because somebody who could supply this it’s not an essential supplier to that company and all of a sudden you have something breaking down maybe a transformer to power station or whatever and due to some stupid little thing it, can’t be fixed because you broke everything. So what do we do? James, Marama, who would like to pick that up? I will. There is a possibility that you haven’t been able to get the plastic because it’s being brought up by another manufacturer in New Zealand who is making face masks at the moment, but you don’t have visibility of that, so you know I think that that’s what I was saying, that you know somebody asked before what are some of the lessons that we can learn here. I think the fact that you’ve got a 3D printer and the ability to knock those out even on a small scale to help support some of your local GPs is fantastic and those the kinds of things that it would be great to see more off and in the future I mean there are some things that we at the moment have no capacity to produce in New Zealand and some of the pharmaceuticals are in that category but usefully, actually, when it comes to a personal protective equipment there are manufacturers in New Zealand who have been producing other things that are retooling really quickly, and so it’s one of the reasons why we’ve got a lot of face masks another gear that’s coming actually because there being produced in Whanganui Which two weeks ago they weren’t they were doing something else So I think one of the things that I’m coming to see more as a result of this as a bigger inventory of what supply chains we actually do have in the country and where there are weaknesses and what we can do to short things up so that the next time this happens, that we’re more resilient Yeah thanks James, and the 3D printing Network that seems to have jumped up out of nowhere is a wonderful community initiative, so so great that you’re involved in that Thomas. We’re going to take one more question from Juliet Neil and then we’ll move to close the meeting So Juliet your question? Yes, my question is what provisions can be made to help safeguard the mental health of people during isolation not only in abusive relationships but also those who are living in isolation alone? I was going to ask if Kyle, could with your expertise Kyle, have a go at that one? Yeah, sure, hey thanks Juliet, let me just say first of all we’re all struggling one of the really hard things about being a therapist in this current climate is we’re all in this together which includes me and all of the medical professionals of which there are two in my house I know that we’re all struggling with the load of this so we are all in this together unfortunately with the with the difficult bits too The two main things that I’ve been talking to people about is at first it’s really important to let everybody know that we’re an essential service, so your services should be available to you whether that’s your standard counseling you normally have, whether there’s DHB services, whatever they might be are open and accessible and beyond that I think as strange as it might sound it’s about trying to make our day-to-day life in this bizarre context we now find ourselves as normal as possible and so translating as much of our life that we had before into this normal environment whether that be work, whether that be taking time out in the weekend or whether that be just having a schedule that we can set ourselves to stick to everyday that schedules really important. And of course the other thing which should be familiar to all of us because it’s so dear to our heart, that’s a Green value, is connection. I was feeling quite out of sorts today and throughout the course of the day and I noticed just sitting here and talking with all of you and listening to you talk, even though it’s through a screen and even though I’ve got a green screen behind me, and even though I haven’t met many of you in person- it’s really settled me and I think that value of actually being able to reach out to each other, and I say this if you are at home on your own now make sure that you’re reaching out to the people that you have, but more importantly, if you know of people in your community whether that be neighbors or Facebook friends that you know who live on their own, reach out. Take it upon yourself at your job for the next

few weeks is to make sure that everybody that you know is okay and if we all do that, then we’ll all get through this together and we might even have some wonderful new friendships by the time we get to the end of it Kia ora, thank you. So that is the end of our questions for tonight We do have a couple of things we want to achieve before we finish up. The first one is actually again just talking about our well-being, in terms of that thinking and that structure and what you’re actually doing for yourself what I was going to do with everybody just to jump on the chat enter and sort of type out one thing that you’re going to do for yourself tomorrow But I’m actually gonna jump to something different because of that question which Juliet answered, I’m going to encourage everybody, and you don’t have to type it if you don’t wish to because it might be private, but to think of one person in your network that you’re going to reach out to tomorrow whether that be by phone or by video chat Just one person that maybe you’ve fallen out of contact with or you know is on their own at home and just a five-minute call, so just take a moment to think about that and just make that commitment to yourself and if you feel comfortable and jump on the chat and just name their person or just recognise a goal of someone that you want to reach out to It’s great I can see names jumping up already which is lovely And the other task that we have is we wanted to try and get a screenshot of everybody and gallery view and what I might ask you all to do is so just looking at the gallery view and seeing that the first page of people is obviously the ones who’ve got the video camera on, but if you feel comfortable pinning that video camera on, I’m going to ask Rosalee to organise doing a bit of a group shot of us all and if we can maybe just sort of put our hands in the air with the twinkling fingers Look at that! Wonderful Awesome, hopefully got that Okay everyone thank you everyone Marama, would it be okay if I could just call on you to close the hui that we’ve had tonight for us please? Absolutely! A big thank you to you Kyle for guiding us through a lot. How many do we reckon are on here? This is a fabulous call guiding us through a bit of a discussion and some questions- this is not the end whānau, this is the start or the continuation of us to keep having these ‘zui’, zoom-hui as Simon Anderson has just said and I think we’re hearing and we are practicing kindness I think we’re Kyle left us is also to remember to be kind to ourselves for example in our workplace our staff and our MPs are setting up working from home situations and it doesn’t always go smoothly and this is an adjustment for everyone to figure out how to be productive when you’ve got all sorts of other things going on at what is often a cramped home space now and I know that we maybe just have to give ourselves a little bit of credit for working through these adjustments and working together and still trying to look out and care for the rest of their wider whānau and our community so big aroha to everybody through this time we’re going to need sustained manaaki and sustained hearing for everyone I did my first go at the supermarket today and I have to say that was quite a heightened stress situation So then come back and be kind to ourselves and take a breather, make sure we’re resting and socially connected but physically distant. So with that I will close off with a karakia that many people may know at this time Whakataka te hau ki te uru, whakataka te hau ki te tonga Kia mākinakina ki uta Kia mātaratara ki tai E hī ake ana te atakura He tio, he huka, he hau hū, tīhei mauri ora! That is cease the winds to the West, cease the winds to the South let the breezes blow over the land, let the red tipped dawn come with a sharpened ear, a touch of frost, a promise of a glorious day. Kia ora koutou Kia ora everyone

Pō mārie, have a good night And that brings us to a close so thank you everyone for coming and hopefully we’ll be able to set more of these up in the very near future to all stay connected with each other Go safe, go well and good night