April 12: Suicide and Opioids Town Hall with Yana Ludwig

alright hello everybody welcome to the Jana 4 y ou Sunday virtual town hall it is Easter Sunday and if history is one of your holidays Happy Easter we’re going to be talking today I’m going to do my usual kovat 19 update and then also talk a little bit about our joint issues in Wyoming of our suicide epidemic and our opioid epidemic and I want to open it up pretty quickly this time to conversation about that these are topics that I am still learning a lot about and so I want to really have this be much more of a town-hall and much more of a conversation but first I’ve got a couple things that I want to say so one of them is the Cova 19 update for the week so we are up to 20 of 23 Wyoming counties that have confirmed cases and that was a total of 263 cases as of yesterday so one of the interesting and especially scary things about this is that about 47% of people who have gotten coded 19 in Wyoming know that they came into contact with someone with it but that’s less than half of the folks and 15% of people who have gotten it have no idea how they got it they have not traveled to places where the virus was known to be at the time they traveled they haven’t come into contact with someone that they know has it you know that kind of thing and this is important because it reinforces the message that we really ought to be assuming that any contact is potential contact that can pass the virus between people so I want to really emphasize for folks like act as if you might be carriers that you could get people sick and also that you might get sick by coming into contact with anyone even if you don’t know that they have it so another piece that’s been really sad this week is that one of our beloved Wyoming institutions National Outdoor Leadership School Knowles has laid off 43% of their staff and this is a an over 50 year old institution in Wyoming and I talked with one of the Knowles staffers this morning and she told me that their peak season for programs is between February and June each year and Corona is hitting them particularly hard because of that I’m also hearing from other nonprofits that they you know other nonprofits that have been doing really good work that they are also folding so many of us in the nonprofit sector were already just barely making it as organizations and so one of the really sad things that have that is happening they’ve got their mic on oh and her folks can mute for us so we don’t get background noise so you know on top of losing a lot of people we are also losing a lot of really good projects and organizations right now and it’s an additional heartbreak with the intersection between how our economy works and this pandemic you know on top of the kind of simple fact that a lot of people are getting sick and some of those folks are dying and I’m relieved that we haven’t had any deaths in Wyoming yet but I know that I have many friends around the country who have already lost friends and family members to this thing so the impact is definitely being felt here in many ways the other thing that that my friend who works at Knowles was talking about this morning with me is the fact that we are all kind of living through a period of collective trauma right now there’s the stress of isolation for a lot of people there’s the economic stress the fear for our lives and lives of people around us and any one of those might lead to someone experiencing trauma most of the people that I’m talking to are reporting some amount of the kind of like emotional shutting down and checking out anxiety being short with people around you those kinds of things that often indicate that someone is experiencing a trauma and I will share with you in the chat when I post this on Facebook today a document from that friend of mine at Knowles that is dealing with what they call psychological first aid and so it’s based on the models of first aid for physical trauma but applied to psychology and I want to share that because I think a lot of us could really use those kinds of resources right now so Stacey and I will add that to our our document that has a bunch of different

covin 19 resources in it okay so that’s the Cova 19 update for this week I want to turn my attention then to the topics for this Town Hall which are suicide and opioids in Wyoming so my energy around this is really different than the other town halls that I’ve been doing you know what I’m talking about the climate crisis or economic disenfranchisement I have direct experience with the impacts of those things myself and/or I’ve been working in really diverse policies spaces for long enough that I know that what I’m saying is grounded in reality but that’s not really the case with today’s topics I’m really in a deep state of learning right now here’s the thing like I think that if a politician can’t sit in a place of the unknown and learning they may be a politician but they really aren’t much of a leader we need to be taking the role of public service seriously enough that we need to move into that place of learner as much as we’re in that place of confident direction setter and so today’s Town Hall is one that I’m coming to much more as a learner and I would really like to hear your stories and your thoughts and what kinds of policy as we ought to be setting and just what the lay of the land is right now in Wyoming on these topics the opioid crisis in particular is not one that has touched my life directly I’ve certainly had my share of suicides but then when it comes to suicide prevention I’m mainly sitting today with the ones that I didn’t manage to prevent and neither gender social standpoint so a little bit of statistics that I’ve been learning about that I want to share and then a couple thoughts that I have reformed I often it up for other folks so 13% of Wyoming Heights have no health insurance and a lot of health insurance doesn’t cover mental health services and doesn’t cover drug treatment so even if you have insurance you may not be able to get what you need the lack of good mental health services is particularly strongly felt among folks in the queer community who may find themselves with a counselor or a therapist who doesn’t actually understand the issues that are really important for them and we also don’t have a lot of bilingual programs in Wyoming so if English is not your first language it can be particularly hard to find good mental health services we have a higher opioid prescription rate than the u.s. in general and 88% of people in Wyoming who need addiction treatment are not getting it right now so I think that part of what’s going on is that we have a treatment crisis in terms of suicides it’s estimated that Wyoming has a suicide every other day and that is not quite but pretty close to twice the national national average I talked to a law enforcement officer on the west side of the state last summer and had a very interesting conversation with him he was staffing a suicide prevention booth at an event that I was tabling at and he thinks that the problem in Wyoming that we have is actually as much about men not having any support to be able to talk about their feelings as it is for anything else and so this was interesting this nail law enforcement agent basically telling me the problem is mental feelings so in his mind it’s a cultural and a support system issue as much as anything else and I tend to agree with that assessment this issue of suicide is also particularly concerning to the students that I’ve talked to in the state – many of our young people have already dealt with a suicide among their peers so here’s a couple of thoughts that I’ve had coming out of my conversations that I’ve already had and then I want to open it up for you so first I don’t think that anybody should end up with a police record because of drugs like whether that’s using drugs or being addicted to drugs addiction should not be treated as a crime we have criminalized drug use in this country as a whole and certainly in Wyoming and it makes it much harder for people to be able to admit that they are a part of a thing and way harder for people to actually get help if that’s what they need and felony charges in particular can cause tremendous disruption to people’s lives not being able to get a job not being able to vote not being able to get housing in some cases so I know for sure that I believe we need to stop criminalizing people’s struggles the second one is that opioids serve a purpose for a lot of people but you know

many disabled and chronically ill people need access to opioids and we need to find a way to provide that access without having it tainted by pharmaceutical companies that push more of it through the medical system than is truly needed for the sake of profits the third thing I know is that legalizing marijuana would help a lot of people to transition off of opioids there’s been some interesting studies about using pot as a way to get out you know it gets you know people mistakenly refer to pot as a gateway drug and I think it’s actually the gateway out drug for a lot of people and I would really like to see us go ahead and legalize marijuana and then be able to use that as a tool in this crisis and also for people’s mental health struggles I know a lot of people who use marijuana as part of their mental health program for themselves you know and obviously we need our mental health systems fully funded it’s a core part of Medicare for all and I believe that having decriminalization of addict combined with falesha funded mental health services would definitely go a long way to helping us through this thing and particularly Student Health Services need to start as soon as people are in school I you know you read stories sometimes about eight-year-olds killing themselves and you know this is completely appalling and there’s no way that that should be what’s happening and so we need to make sure that student health services include mental health so those are the very limited talking points that I have on these issues at this point and I really would love to hear from folks about you know what your stories are what your experiences are what you think we need to be doing about both of these crises as I said earlier and I know you know not everybody heard my the front end of my opening comments but I am very much in a state of learning and in a state of wanting to hear from you all about what you think is important with this and and I might even take some notes so if you see me concentrating and looking like I’m typing it’s because I’m typing and because I really want to get what y’all are giving me so so welcome everybody thank you for coming out on a Sunday afternoon and I would love to hear what you have to say about this and Isabel and Tyler you are new folks in my circle so I don’t know if either one of you wants to start it looks like everybody’s moving I don’t really know what to say I just think suicide needs more attention and people need to ask more for it I do you know what I mean I don’t know just feel like there’s enough support out there for people to go through this mm-hmm yeah yeah for sure I’ve been hearing it a lot particularly from young people so yeah thanks for adding your voice to that and I feel the same way really like I think people don’t realize like how serious it is and like especially in young people as well like it’s people don’t really realize how much it affects younger people and it’s a lot of pressure yeah do you to have a sense of what what the issues are kind of life circumstances are for young people that are feeding into them struggling so much right now I mean I have theories about this but it’s not as helpful for a 50 year old to be speculating about that as it is for hey can you also gun sorry I didn’t hear the question if you have a sense of what what are those issues are those factors in people’s lives among young people that are really getting them to this level of desperation I think kids well if we’re from Britain so I think I did like do you see what pressure but that’s a big factor yes stressful I think and unlike I don’t know maybe like living conditions I don’t know at home school yeah yeah so living pressure with school yeah okay okay great we just had one other person join us I’m just opening it up to hearing from folks about opioid crisis and suicide crisis and we’re talking purely about that among young people so happy to have you join the conversation Stacy I don’t mean to mute you and

welcome to hop into this as well um I have very extensive experience with middle school kids over time I worked in an at-risk school and a lot of those kids were very much a terrific they didn’t have supportive parents coverage and that’s that to admit or go to services was a real negative because either they lived in did not want service was involved that was really a negative and a lot of kids we we work on a resiliency program at one point and that seemed to help whereas we talked about the kids themselves if they were in these situations how would they handle for resiliency was very good at that time was headed by an assistant principal who was very credentialed and a senior person in the school district and we were able to pull that off as in straight talk about drugs and suicide gender identity and other things so that helped a lot but um the district didn’t always agree with what we were talking about it was pretty much straight up into the point the other end of the spectrum where I finished it was still kind of the same for the kids they were caught between different worlds but this was a school that the kids were on had many many benefits rather than an at-risk school it was the other end of the spectrum but I saw that the pressures on the social pressures really were a lot the same because kids of that stature weren’t supposed to have those problems and so and I worked a lot with the kids getting them help and then one and I don’t know if Tyler and Isabel will agree with that but I think that some of the things especially with the resiliency is the privacy for handling these problems middle school kids don’t get that as you grow a little older high school and whatnot I think you have the ability to work for yourself more you have the skills but a middle school kids kind of stuck what do they do to get out of those holes that they’re in so that’s always my question on any kind of services I don’t know how you guys feel about that but that’s where I’m coming from it’s interesting I’m hearing a theme in a lot of what you’re saying that there’s a lot of shame around this and that the kids end up taking this kind of the brunt of that and you know whether you are a kid who’s from a more marginalized background and labeled a problem kid or a killed even from like a wealthier backgrounds like there’s different versions of it but there’s still a real reluctance to reach out for help which echoes what that you know law enforcement officer was saying to me about men in the state of Wyoming is that like there’s there’s a lot of people who just don’t have access to support or even if they do you know that shame can get in the way and you know if you’re not supposed to have problems than what happens when you have problems like where’s your authenticity or where’s your ability to get help in that situation and as as we for resiliency program we worked with the school resource officers which was great that their abilities to handle things was over a wide spectrum and many of the officers who had been Aceros for a long time and really understood kids worked very well with that understanding them getting them help and getting you know getting next to him and getting trust we always felt that resiliency training for school resource officers on how to speak to kids what their problems are what they might need was always a plus and I know we’ve got the police department to do a resiliency training weekend and only parts of the officers attended but a lot of the administrator street administrators did attend resiliency training and they put that they put that into effect and the one

thing about police the hard thing for them is to get kids to open up and speak to them on honestly without fear right right and I imagine that’s especially true with students of color you know like the cops are not necessarily your friend for some of these populations indeed and a lot of the the the population of my first school I was there 19 years they were definitely were all people of color extremely difficult for them because they lived in communities by themselves and they preferred not to have the leadership there to money or a lot of reasons but it wasn’t the kids problems it wasn’t crime except they were asked to please don’t open up to services they don’t come into our community because a lot of times that didn’t turn out well and it wasn’t regulated it was a lot of other things immigration for one right right gotcha all right great well let’s get we got some folks who have just joined us let’s um get some other voices in here if you want to add anything to the conversation we have mr. Joe mama I love that and somebody on an iPhone and if you all have anything that you want to add we’re talking about the suicide epidemic as well as the opioid crisis although mostly we’ve been on suicide in conversation so far but I would welcome your input and what you have to say on the topic hi I’m I’m actually English I see this on Twitter and I thought I’d join in because I really feel for the situation that’s going on um but do you feel like the suicide pandemics is going to raise because of the coronavirus being locked in the houses and yeah actually it’s interesting we have half of you I’m here from the UK which is fascinating this morning hi so yeah well we’ve already seen a documented bump in domestic violence and we know that there’s a relationship between those two things that you know somebody’s being abused consistently and they feel like they don’t have a way out that that is definitely going to put people at higher risk you know I also think a lot of people are not used to quarantine and isolation and that I think there’s definitely gonna be impacts there hello and I have a visitor coming into the camera here so so yes I do think that it is quite likely that we’re gonna see a bump in suicide rates we you know in in Wyoming our suicide rates are not quite double the US average so our state has a particularly you know challenging set of circumstances with this can you just sit down sweetheart thank you yeah so so I do think that that is likely I think that’s that’s a lot at this funky thank you for answering that yeah yeah so I’m curious to you know are there good models in the UK since I have three of you here you know are there good models over there good programs that you think we could be looking at in the US that might offer something to us at this point it’s a no I know you’re not all policy experts here tuning in so okay that’s fine does anybody else want to toss in anything about either suicide or opioids this morning I keep saying this morning it’s afternoon here I don’t know why I keep saying that because of the pandemic and sheltering in place I went north in Wyoming and I went up went up the eastern border north and then I came back down on i-25 and in and as I expected it was very very deserted everywhere people are sheltering in place but as I came south on i-25 it was spooky how deserted that was really lonely I’ve never seen i-25 like that before I passed one truck coming south in ninety miles and what struck me was the remoteness there I had never felt remoteness like that anywhere in the US and so as I’m thinking about suicide and OPI opioid and being able to open up a couple of the small towns I went through I thought be interesting to stop here and stop there because I didn’t because of shelter in place but you know it struck me how small these places are and how everyone knows everyone you know that came back what Kersey and so my concern then and I know

you’re thinking about this too is the kind of networks before support in a state that is as remote as ours is and I was just completely struck yesterday by how deserted the entire state really feels even coming down i-25 and that was a double spooky feeling to me of out back loneliness people not being there and whatnot so I’m just you know and then in watching the thing about broadband and the opportunity to contact doctors and other things and the short comings of broadband and that was the thing that was covered Friday night I wonder about that too what kind of connections like we’re having right now them could be more common in a situation of more trust yeah it’s good there’s a lot there’s a lot there I mean it’s interesting to hear that about 25 I mean I can see I’ve been in quarantine for the last three weeks and my window looks out and I can actually see i-80 from here and I ad has still been pretty busy you know going and that’s an interstate that goes across most of the country for folks that aren’t familiar with it you know I do think that you know folks who have good internet access have been considerably better off through this whole thing and you know rural broadband is one of those policy pieces that I feel like you know has been up not only in the I’m part of a a coalition of rural Democrats who are running and we’ve been talking about rural broadband it’s also built into the Bernie Sanders green new deal is you know that’s a big part of it is like getting us to a place where people can actually work from home and suddenly we’re in a place where a lot of people have been forced to and that’s been really tough for a lot of people in Wyoming whose internet frankly sucks and so you know really looking at what kinds of infrastructure stuff we can put in place where we would have been a lot better off if we had attended to some of that stuff a lot sooner yeah and I do think that the you know the kind of rural isolation that we deal with here you know it’s interesting that you know someone who lives in Wyoming and it’s like when you can feel that sense of isolation and like where you know there’s all these jokes about like social distancing is just the Wyoming Way of life and so you know and and jokes aside I mean there is a part of that where we’re used to being sort of this rugged individualists landscape out here and and I think in a lot of cases that is being pretty dangerous for people emotionally right now and you know I did that yesterday I mean I’ve been at home and feeling created crazy I’ve got to get out I need to do something and that’s what I do I do a lot of that traveling and it’s not a problem because where I go believe me it’s social distance because there’s nobody there that’s what I see at that point that was so striking and I like I said I haven’t felt that before and I think compounded by being home and not meeting people was crazy think about this you know so if we do have social contact systems to do that then if if you’re in if you’re really kind of going down a hole really quick you [ __ ] it down the rabbit hole and you do have that access then who do you contact that you know well enough to know you know what kind of system and I think you’ve spoken about that too of people you can trust and I would think hopefully that if someone’s seeing a physician or hazardous addition or has a clinic somewhere that that clinic is kind of set up with a familiar face at least to contact at those moments of real of real her just to thought how do you pay for that where do you get those funds rights right well I mean I do think that you know that the better Medicare for all proposals do include mental health coverage and so I think you know and there’s you know and we’ve talked in you know in other ones of these sessions about like how do you pay for that and so you know I’m happy to reference folks to those other town halls for the answer around that and I do think it’s really important and I also think you know and and this is something that it’s kind of weird as a political candidate talking about it but my my background is in cooperative culture development I mean that’s what I do is I spend you know hours and hours and hours every year working with groups and individuals around like how do you

move out of the sort of hyper individualistic mindset that I think is biting a lot of people in the ass right now and into something that is more genuinely collaborative and you know Co supportive for people and it’s and it’s tough you know when you’ve got all of that training around the individualism stuff to be able to reach out for that kind of support and I think it’s really important that you know that folks do that and you know and I just want to say for folks not only the folks who are here but also the folks listening to the recording later that there is no shame in needing help like if you are struggling you are just like everybody else I mean it’s like I have this image of us right now if being like you know millions of people in the United States who are all sort of suffering in silence and not realizing that the person next door is also suffering inside and the person across the street is also suffering in silence and that were just these islands of silent suffering right now and that you know that doesn’t do anybody any good at all and you know and we’re all kind of in this boat of really struggling and having a lot of stuff sort of getting pulled out from underneath us right now I mean like my work has plummeted my income is plummeted you know I’m dealing with that just like everybody else that I know is and you know and that there’s really no shame in going like hey this is really hard and I didn’t know what to do with this I mean we’ve never lived through a global pandemic before and so you know for those people that are really struggling with that it’s like yeah you’re struggling with it because we’re in really new territory and it’s scary you think um the way um the the thing I’m getting is that people are understanding what being isolated means do you think that’s a positive that’s coming out of this and that we might be able to pick up on kind of like climate you know climate has slowed down we’re not killing the climate and we’re looking at going how do we continue that now that we’re isolated what do we learn from that and how can we help yeah yeah and I don’t know if any of y’all have seen I did a Facebook post not on the campaign page but on my personal page the other day basically talking about the ways that the experience that we’re having right now is reminding me of my years living in an eco village actually that you know suddenly social support is like a really big thing and people are working from home and you know thank mutual aid as part of the conversation and no one gives a [ __ ] that you haven’t had a shower in three days I mean there’s like you know all of these like like sort of you know more or less amusing and more or less substantive things that are going on and and I do think that what we’re experiencing right now does have things to offer in terms of teaching us that things that we thought weren’t possible and that we couldn’t take that actually may even have some upsides and you know I was thinking about this today that you know I feel like my orientation is that you work like hell to change the things that you can change and for those things you can’t change you try to find as positive and of an experience of it as you can which i think is what you’re doing right now Stacey is like well so what’s the upside of this and then there’s the things that you know you can’t change and that you really can’t find a positive thing and then I think we’re in the state that all of our ancestors were in at some point which is like you endure the things that you can’t either change or find a good spin on and you know and I think that that’s really that combination is where we’re at and for that third category we need social support you know to be able to do that endurance thing we can’t just try to do that as independent operators and think we’re gonna be okay at the other side you know um can you put up where to find the opioid abuse and the suicide data and information for Wyoming where that is can you put yeah yeah I can I’ll go ahead and toss that into the into the comments um because you know while you were talking about we’re talking about this know um do we know why opioids and get addicted to opioids beyond just the huge addiction factor and they might have been taking it for pain and this probably is a ridiculous question I hesitate to ask well why do people commit suicide in Wyoming yeah I mean I think it I think it’s a huge I mean I know that the so the person who I was the closest to who I lost to suicide in Wyoming they could not get queer friendly mental health services that were affordable in Wyoming and they actually left the state and then tried to find it in another state and still couldn’t find it and and it

was their third attempt that finally killed them and you know and so I know that that was their story I do think that the cop on the west side of the state is right I mean I think a lot of it is like the not the shame about being able to talk about what’s going on I think economic despair is on the rise for people I think climate despair is on the rise for people I think many many people are really struggling with the fact that the planet is coming apart at the seams right now and and that you know particularly among young people it’s like you know if you’re 18 and looking at that like you’re looking at a long life with the last suffering at this point and you did not do that to yourself and so I think there’s a lot of despair there I think the kind of pressure that Isabella was talking about with you know the pressure with school I mean I think all of these things feed into it I mean there are a lot of very rational reasons why people are struggling like hell right now and and so you know I just want to say I get the despair and I hope that people are being able to like reach out and find connectivity and find the support that they need and I think in the United States our healthcare system is failing people horribly you know in multiple different ways with that so I have one more question and I’m gonna be totally quiet here Isabel and Joe and Tyler you are you all have young faces so I’m just noticing this because my question is what about now that education are being interrupted and it all has to be done online and it’s slowing that down and making more of a struggle how stressful and nerve-wracking is that I’m doing phrase I don’t know I’m not an education anymore thank you Sarah for a young face thank you it is very stressful but here in the UK we are mental health facilities like the RSPCA you helped us out ya know the RSPCA are really good at helping people aren’t you know they are they really going to be a lot to mental health yeah I really appreciate having this international movement where we just appear that other countries are doing things differently so I wonder so we’ve had Isabella and John and Yusuf all join us and a seem if any of you want to hop in and offer like your thoughts about suicide and opioid crisis I’d love to hear your voices yeah I think suicide is very bad as loads of people die from it and that can affect families and RT and think suicide now if you’re suffering from mental depression you should go online or speak to the NHS or anyone close relative to you if you’re having any problems yeah thanks it sounds like we have a whole bunch yeah it’s great yeah Isabella please okay looks like everybody’s muted at the MoMA I don’t know if someone’s trying to talk or not good yeah okay well great okay well I think we’re gonna China that’s what what Corona calm once I arrived on Tuesday I flew over here on the bass on do they put it in snow creamy coat again I saw it at night alright so that was a racist moment brought to you by some random dude so okay so just to be clear in no way shape or form do I think Chinese people are responsible for this and making video jokes about it is kind of I agree I agree it’s very disrespectful okay this is as much as I’m frustrated with zooms up to security with things that is why we’ve done that is to not have that kind of thing happen and it’s a public forum so okay cool all right does anybody have anything else you want to say about this I’m super happy to have had people join and if you came

late there’s a there’ll be a wash dry green give it to marcado let’s make me cuz okay we can just not face I’m just gonna just okay I think I just removed him so I will not let him back in if he tries to come back say something yes please so in the u.s. you have I’m just warning like what kind of like suicide prevention do you have cause in England we are we are ESPYs yeah I’m just but not you yeah so part of the problem is that we actually don’t have a lot of services particularly in Wyoming so so live in is the the only state in the country that actually doesn’t even contribute to the national suicide prevention hotline and so that is definitely one of the problems that we have here but you know we don’t have something like the NHS here in the United States either it’s you know what’s being proposed is called Medicare for all and so we are trying to get that passed right now and you know move into a place where we actually have a lot more resources than we do right now there is a national suicide prevention hotline they do really good work and they are underfunded and understaffed so it’s not like there’s nothing happening but in terms of like you know really formal government supports the u.s. is pretty bad about it do you think Donald Trump is like trying to best help how do you think he’s not working hard enough so that might prevent leaks I’ve arrived yeah I don’t think his best to help right now and in fact one of the things that he has done is refused to reopen the the Affordable Care Act healthcare marketplace as it’s called which is how people get onto the Affordable Care Act which is the closest thing to a public program that we have in terms of insurance and and so he’s actually blocking people’s access to that and three and a half million Americans have lost their health coverage in the last like I think six weeks so you have a whole bunch of people trying to get into the room now what do you think trolls let them him they out definitely trolls yeah I think so I think we’re gonna hundred percent on them I agree I agree yeah lock them ignored them you know accept falls in in this that’s Carol Baskin would say yeah don’t mind the trophy don’t let the trophy don’t let all of you in because you’re actually contributing to the conversation so thank you yeah yeah question Bosh’s Salinas yes many many times and Matt he’s he set up the right foundations to prevent prevent suicide so like I just think someone in America needs to step up their game I agree mm-hm just think a lot of people talk about Boris Johnson and Donald Trump being really similar and so it’s good to hear that he’s actually coming from a really different place on that one and mm-hmm okay good I’m glad he’s been doing some good stuff with it I mean with a couple of parents with believes people I don’t know why people think it’s funny it still do special yeah it’s just amateur that is a serious conversation all right swell okay I just removed him to that Scooby Doo man that corner oh no he’s gone now don’t worry sorry the doctor took my attention good

coppers okay some kind of racist I I’m a racist but some people are just unbelievable on how racist it can be it amazes me and she’s the best person ever so okay everybody well I think I’m gonna wrap us up so this is about as long as we’ve been going with these sessions so thank you those of you who do you like okay don’t you know ba do their job and may stop people like him from burning for ya the RSPCA in the UK absolute it is such a good job in my god Isabella J to do yeah you get what I don’t about Isabel no I’m gonna scan and look it up now no he’s gonna share my screen and show you luring Isabel now stop lying okay everybody go ahead in okay bye and it sounds like we found each other on Twitter so definitely feel free to find me there I appreciate everybody coming and tuning in today so thanks everybody buh-bye