Proposed Air Permits for FCA US, LLC – August 25, 2020

hey everyone we’re going to get started in just a minute here we’re just letting folks um that are still joining get on and hopefully we’ll be able to get started in just a few seconds all right well welcome everyone i hope that you’re here tonight to join us for this information session that we’re going to be hosting on a couple air permits that are um in review right now with air quality division at eagle there are two different proposed air permits for two different fca facilities that are kind of adjacent to each other so we’ll be providing a bunch of information about that tonight but before we really get started on all the nitty gritty nitty gritty details i am going to um do a little bit of housekeeping for you so you know how things are going to run if you haven’t done a zoom meeting with us yet you’ll know that uh there’s a few different things and how we normally do them so the first thing we’re going to do is i just want to kind of go over who’s going to be here tonight to answer questions for you so i’m jennifer dixon and i actually work in our environmental support division but if you’ve come to these meetings before you’ve probably seen me hosting and moderating the question and answer session so you’ll also see so i’m going to ask my staff folks to kind of give a little wave when i say your name so the other person you’re going to be hearing mostly from tonight is dave thompson and he is our permit engineer for the project so i’m going to pass the mic over to him in a minute and he’s going to give you a little bit of information about the projects before that we do the q a and because i see him next in my queue i have mike deca and he is with our toxics unit there’s mike also bob burns he’s one of our inspectors and he works with our auto facilities a lot so we’ll have him on the line to answer some questions for you as well if needed i’ve also got susan kilmer she’s from our air monitoring unit and she’ll be able to talk to you about the air monitors in the area um and things associated with that i also have steph huggins bach and she is in our and i probably said your name wrong stuff nod or shake your head if i did all right kinda every time i know i apologize so um she actually works in our air modeling unit so she’ll be able to talk about some of those things if you all have questions for her later so um i’m going to ask you guys to we’re going to go ahead and give it over to dave in just a minute so before we get started on the the definite housekeeping stuff i just want to kind of run you through how the evening’s going to go like i said dave’s going to give you some information about the two proposed projects we’re going to do a question and answer session after that and i’ll tell you how to submit a question in a few minutes we’re also going to talk about how to submit an official comment since both these are open for comment right now and they will be open until september 18th just want to i’ll probably reiterate that a few times just so that you have it in your mind we’ll talk about where you can find information and who you can contact when you have further questions after tonight all right so during the meeting your lines will all be muted we are going to record this and uh there’s a the best way to answer get your question answered is to type it in the question and answer box you’re going to find that on your toolbar once you put your question in there we’ll try to get to those probably at the end of dave’s presentation if you want to ask a question verbally after we get through the written questions we will do that so if you are on the internet or on your phone you can click that raise your hand icon on the bottom of your screen and we will be able to unmute you if you are calling in which i should have checked to see if we have anybody calling in today it’s going to do that really quickly let’s see it doesn’t look like we have anyone calling in right now but we might get someone calling in later so i’ll just reiterate this now and i’ll reiterate it again later that if you are calling in you’re just going to type star 9 onto your phone and that actually raises your hand for us so we’ll be able to unmute you then as well so now i’m going to go ahead and pass it over to dave so dave i’m going to man the presentation for you so if i don’t click when i’m supposed to feel free to say next to me and don’t forget to unmute yourself when it’s your time to talk all right thank you jen uh good evening everyone my name is dave thompson i am the lead permanent engineer and one of multiple aqd staff

involved in the review for both of these applications uh the proposed modifications to the automotive assembly line currently under construction at the fca detroit assembly complex mac which i’m going to refer to as the ma as mac or the mac plant for short and the proposed new equipment and changes at the fca jefferson north assembly plant which i’m going to refer to as jnab we’re going to start tonight with an overview of the air quality division and then get into the proposed projects so we all know that pollution comes from many different things such as big farms fuel burning vehicles and various industrial sources the overall mission of the air quality division is to protect public health and the environment the aqd has the authority to do this by regulating industrial sources next so the aqd is separated into different functions for example some aqd staff monitor levels of air pollutants other staff look at different toxics to make sure public health is protected uh district inspectors conduct inspections of regulated facilities and we review applications and write permits for sources of air pollutants to ensure the operations comply with our rules and regulations now the air quality division has the authority to permit sources of air pollutants however i want to point out a few items that the draft permits do not cover and that aqd does not have the ability to regulate you will want to talk to your local government if you have questions or comments about issues such as zoning noise and traffic next i’d like to give a simple overview of the steps that both the applicant and the aqd go through to get a proposed draft permit ready for comment first the applicant plans the project next the applicant submits a permit application to the air quality division the application is reviewed by an engineer once a proposed permit is peer reviewed and approved by a supervisor it is sent to the company for review and posted for public comment comments received during the public comment period are evaluated and could potentially lead to changes in the proposed permit finally a decision is made on the permit application and that decision can be at one of three things it can be approved as written approved with changes or denied next i’m going to talk a little bit more about the proposed projects now fca operates both the mac plant and the jnapp they’re all both automotive assemblies lines an automotive assembly line consists of three main portions there is a body shop for assembly of the unpainted vehicle a paint shop where various paints and other materials are applied in the assembly area where final operations such as glass engine and tire installation are performed and for the automotive so what is fca requesting sorry jen go to next please sorry about that uh so what is fca requesting uh for the automotive assembly line at the magplant fca is proposing changes to the supporting natural gas equipment for the line a different number of tanks used for automotive fluid storage and a change in the number and size of different pieces of equipment of emergency equipment for the automotive assembly line at jnab fca is proposing to install a new two-tone coding process moving an existing repair operation and refurbishment and upgrades to some existing operations next while reviewing the proposed projects the aqd looks at a number of items for projects that take place within a relatively close time period the aqd must determine whether projects should be aggregated or looked at as a single project after reviewing the two applications and applying guidance provided by the united states environmental protection agency the aqd determined that the proposed changes at the mac plant and the jnet project are separate therefore the mac and jnapp application reviews were performed independently from one another so for each project akd reviews the level of emissions to figure out how that project should be classified and based upon the level of emissions and the type of equipment we determine what type of review is needed including which rules and regulations that project is subject to the next gen so each application addresses specific state and federal regulations and whether that project is subject although it’s already permitted and under construction the magplant

application is subject to what is referred to as non-attainment regulations for volatile organic compounds also known as vocs based on the level of proposed emissions each project is also subject to and must meet other applicable rules and regulations and we’ll go into that a little more detail in the next few slides now throughout the review process and during development of the proposed draft permits the aqd has ensured that the applicable state and federal rules have been met excellently so one part of figuring out whether specific rules are applicable to a project is the location of the facility this map shows the current attainment status for the state of michigan an area is considered to be in non-attainment if air concentrations of certain pollutants are above the national standards and michigan currently has not attainment areas for two pollutants which are ozone and sulfur dioxide which is also known as so2 now the mac plant and jnap are located in an area that is considered non-attainment for ozone which is regulated through two other pollutants docs and oxides of nitrogen which is also called nox if the overall increase in emissions from an individual project for these pollutants is high enough then that pollutant needs to go through what is called a non-attainment permit review next gen sorry now the mac plant as i said plant project is subject to not attainment permit review for vocs one part of non-attainment permit view is performing a lowest achievable emission rate or layer analysis this means that the magplant project must meet or exceed the lowest emission rate required by any state rule or the lowest emission rate that has been achieved in practice for similar processes now the previous layer review was re-evaluated and with the exception of one additional limit for two small emergency engines result resulted in the same conclusions this includes the use of thermal oxidizers on the large cobra coating operations to reduce the amount of voc emissions another important piece of non-determinant of non-attainment permit review sorry is referred to as offsets now offsets are emission reductions in the same pollutant from the same non-attainment area that must be greater than the emissions increased from the proposed project the proposed level of vocs from the mac pro plant project did not change significantly from the previous review it there’s a slight reduction um but therefore the required amount of offsets did not change now these offsets or mission reductions were established with the original magplant permit since there is no increase in the proposed voc emissions no additional offsets are required next thank you in addition to meeting non-attainment review requirements the magplant application shows that the project will meet other applicable rules and regulations including toxic air contaminants emitted from the project would meet their respective health-based screening levels computer simulations referred to as modeling were performed for nox and particulate matter equal to or less than 2.5 microns which is in short is known as pm 2.5 and this modeling showed that no violation of any national standard is expected the assembly line would also be required to place particulate filters on all spray coating processes to lower the amount of dust and paint particles that exit the plant next i’ll speak a little more about the proposed jnab project and it must also comply with applicable rules and regulations for example the project must show that it would comply with state of michigan rule 702 for vocs this review is based on what is referred to as a best available control technology or backed analysis and as a result of that back analysis for the jnapp project vocs from the proposed two-tone coding operation would be controlled by thermal oxidizers in addition similar to the other project the jnap application has shown that a compound that attacks toxic air contaminants emitted from the project would meet their health based screening levels modeling again was performed for knox and pm 2.5 to show that no violation of any national standard is expected and again for spray coating processes particulate control systems would be required to reduce to reduce particulate emissions so if the permits are approved fca would have to comply with all final conditions that have incorporated the review of state and federal

regulations based on the reviews performed the final conditions for each proposed permit contains the emission limits for the pollutants listed here which are voc’s particulate matter which is shortened to pm uh there’s another one that’s particulate matter equal to or less than 10 microns which is known as pn10 pm 2.5 nox so2 and carbon monoxide which is known as co as well as limits on natural gas usage each proposed draft permit also contains testing monitoring and record keeping requirements that would be used to show that both the mac plant and the jnf and and app would meet their respective limits the combination of emission limits with testing monitoring and record-keeping requirements would ensure that each project complies with the rules and regulations i’d like to thank you for listening and i’ll give back to jen and uh we’ll continue with that question and answer portion all right thanks dave we’ll let you get a drink of water i know how that goes when you’re chatting for a while so we have a couple more things to go over again and of course my dogs are going gonna start barking i apologize um i think my kids just got home which is perfect timing so thank you dave for passing that back to me right now oh so just as a reminder about asking questions if you could click on your q a and your toolbar and then go ahead and type any questions that you have in there if you are on the computer on your phone you can click the raise your hand icon and once we get to those written in questions we’ll unmute people’s mics and let them chat as well oh one thing i forgot to mention about the q a portion if you want to be anonymous um when you’re asking your question there is a box that you can check to ask your question anonymously that’s perfectly okay we don’t mind people doing that at all and people sometimes prefer to do that so if you are calling in and you would like to raise your hand to ask a question you’re going to just type star 9 into your phone and that’s going to actually raise your hand on our side of the screen here so we’ll be able to unmute you um let’s see so as a reminder if i can have my panelists turn your videos back on so we can be ready to answer questions um you already heard from dave thompson in our permit section we’ve got bob burns again he’s our district inspector that helps us out with auto plant stuff i’ve got stuff and i’m not going to say your last name because i refuse this time and modeling i’m going to practice afterwards so and the next meeting on september 9th i’m going to say it perfectly mike deppa from our toxics unit we’ve got susan kilmer with air monitoring and um we should be good to go so i’m going to talk about this part later actually we’ll get back to that so what i want to do now is and i of course just messed that up i apologize folks um we do have a question that’s come in so um this is going to be for bob so bob just to um this is going to be a question on inspection so the question is have there been any recent inspections of either plan and if so were any violations noted so if you could just talk on that for a minute that’d be appreciated sure jennifer um yeah the facility was last inspected in november of 2019 uh the facility itself is inspected on a semi-annual basis and so over the course of the past 10 years there have been uh at least five inspections uh there still is a another scheduled inspection coming up this fiscal year which ends in october so we will be doing one uh very soon at this facility and then in addition to the inspections we also visit the facility to observe stack testing and there’s been i would say approximately 10 of those within the last 10 years i think there was also a question about violation notices there was a violation that was sent back in 2018 for a failure to report a deviation as a result of that most recent past inspection so can you just talk about what a deviation is what is that what does that mean yeah sure so in a renewable operating permit for this facility they are required or obligated to report every six months that they are either in compliance with each condition in the permit or if they’re deviating from that permit condition so um the facility had missed something that they were not exactly complying with the facility and so they did not report as a deviation okay thanks and so you also use another word that we sometimes refer to but people might not know what you mean so you said renewable operating permit so we’re here to talk about two um air permits but the renewable operating permit is a

large sort of all-encompassing air permit that takes all these little ones and kind of sticks them all together um obviously paraphrasing that but if you want more information about that um feel free to put that question in the question box as well um and this question is going to be more for you too bob because it kind of has to do with what happens if the permits are issued or after they’re issued so the question was what’s the process for monitoring um the facility after the permit is issued after they’re approved and who does that kind of monitoring and then if after you answer that question so think about that and then the second part of this question is you know if a community member has concerns or complaints where where should they go with those all right yeah so the facility um is required to test or confirm emission factors or generate emission factors for many of the pollutants that dave talked about in the permit so there will be testing for things like volatile organic compound capture efficiencies removal efficiencies destruction efficiencies and they are required to do those within 365 days of saleable vehicle production those tests will be observed within that one-year period after startup of the facility and we will be out there observing those tests to make sure they follow the proper protocol and procedure so also oh sorry go ahead before you or before you go ahead on that what i think what they might be talking about too is not just like um things that are actual testing but you know a lot of a big part of our air permits are things that the company might have to monitor on a daily weekly monthly basis and the company a lot of times will keep those records yep that’s true right okay thank you um so the company keeps those records they have certain protocols that they have to do that we approve and then as part of bob’s inspections when he goes out or other inspectors when they go out they will look at that monitoring information and that data that the company has kept and verify whether or not it’s true do a very thorough review of that make sure there’s no holes or those things sometimes that we refer to as deviations and things like that and whether or not a violation might need to be issued if something was going haywire so i don’t know about if you want to add a little bit more to that and then if you want to answer the second part of that question too yeah sure uh the source keeps all kinds of information um in order to calculate the emissions uh from the facility to show compliance so on a daily basis they track the amount of paint used the types of paint used uh the volatile organic compounds within the paint and they can actually pro rate that back to on a daily basis to show how much is emitted from the facility each day that is done uh through the epa auto protocol they have a special procedure which they should follow and to obtain those records in addition to the voc style emission records they keep track of natural gas records for you like your knox and your co missions for the abatement equipment they would do the monitoring demonstrated in the permit so they would keep for instance the oxidizer temperatures that are going on to demonstrate that on an ongoing continuous basis they would maintain above the 1400 degree limit within the permit awesome thank you so if there hopefully that was helpful and then if you could answer the question about complaints if they have complaints or concerns about things and we can if whoever we they need to contact or whatever the recommendation is here we can always share that after the meeting tonight um with people either via email or on the screen too so yes we would um we can share the information in terms of the peace complaint line after hour calls and um my own personal cell phone number is 517-275-0439 uh for older complaints as well and we will put that up on the screen towards the end with everybody’s actual contact numbers so um if you are calling in and you need that information you can um raise your hand and we’ll definitely read it out loud if there’s something specific that you would like all right so here is a question and it is a little bit of a long one um all right i think this is going to be for you dave it’s a regarding backed so let me read it to you um it says it appears you’re allowing fca to avoid a true backed analysis based on a claim needing consistency with existing paint lines and are dismissing anything other than solvent solvent based clear coat option as technically feasible why are they not required to modernize

the entire paint line and then there is a quote from the fact sheet i don’t know if you need me to read that part out loud but while you’re kind of thinking about your answer dave i’ll go ahead and do that just so folks that can’t see this so this is from our from our fact sheet and it says fca is proposing tree-lined solvent-borne base coats and a solvent-borne clear coat in the two-tone booth to maintain consistency with the materials and the coating quality from the current j-nap coating operation so if you could talk about that a little bit dave that’d be great yeah um well i believe that they are showing a true fact analysis on this the consistency comes from um the existing solvent line they went through a backed analysis for this and showed that for that they they have an existing process with the primer guide coat or eco guide coat primer top coat that is in the current process and they showed that basically to convert it over to another line there is no available space for if you can for example if you convert over to water-based for certain base coats it requires larger ovens larger space for that in order to emit um and the or and i’m sorry not emit in order to cure the the water-based base coat as opposed to the solvent so there’s there’s based off of our discussions there’s not room in order to convert it over to that and for a consistency of coding there is there are differences between the various coding technologies for how consistent they are in order to get a consistent product a consistent coating between the two tone and the existing top coat it really has to be a similar process of the um goes to the powder coat and then goes through the top coat solvent based top coat solvent base clear coat in order to maintain that consistent the consistent quality between the top coat and the rest of the vehicle so and they showed for the for the existing line that the they went through a back analysis for the uncontrolled portions because there are portions of the existing top coat that are controlled they went through that and based off of that backed analysis there is a cost efficiency basically a cost efficiency portion of that and they have a um they did show that it was not cost effective for those portions of that and then in groupings of the existing top coat line okay so this question has to do with how fca is classified as a an existing source rather than a new constructed source so i think this one’s going to go to you too dave so i’m going to read this so people can hear the question so um it says to my understanding fca has asserted that the renovated paint shop should be classified as an existing source rather than a new constructed source regarding federal air toxics regulations can you elaborate on this process that is why was fca allowed to classify in such a way so i’m not exactly sure what part of your i think you’ve talked touched on this a little bit but i’m not exactly sure uh yeah sure um well an existing source there are specific definitions for an existing source in in the niche app and or i’m sorry the the rule um that is in here it uh it’s referred to as a app uh shortened national emission standard for hazardous air pollutants and there are differences between an existing source and a new source and for a source that was built before a certain date and i don’t remember what that date is off the top of my head but when you do modifications or do changes to it there’s something called uh reconstructed and i’m sorry basically if the if the money if the if the investment put into equipment that is subject to that knee shaft is less than 50 of the cost of a brand new identical process and it’s still cons it is still considered existing if you spend over fifty percent of the initial of the total investment of a brand new um for example paint shop similar to this then it would be considered new and reconstruct or reconstructed and would be subject to those new ones but the

the uh cost the investment portion that they provided show that the ratio was less than 50 percent um and bob i guess i’m gonna throw sort of bob burns just to make sure that i didn’t miss anything on that reconstruction answer or if you’d answered if that was complete enough or if you have anything to add no i think that’s a good explanation dave the i believe the existing source date is around 2006 and the jefferson north facility you know has been there since the late 90s at least in its current form or late 80s early 90s so they are an existing source and they have provided their source cost information for the emission units that are affected under the auto niche app or mac and that that value shows that they’re investing less than half the cost of the new one and so therefore the facility is not considered uh reconstructed yeah it’s not triggering that definition of the of reconstruction which is a complicated one for sure um we do have a hand up so i don’t i can’t tell your name so i’m going to say the last four digits on i think it’s your email address which is 2003 and i’m going to unmute you so that you can ask your questions so i apologize and if you’d like to introduce yourself feel free and if you don’t want to you don’t have to um my name is ben fung i’m a residence of uh benedict street which is right next to the mack plant um i don’t see any uh presentation about a continuous particle emission from the paint shop because the area that we live in right now has been known for respiratory diseases and compared with other areas so i kind of worry about the uh the addition or the modification of this plan of this uh paint shop so can you cover that for me yeah sure ben so i think the first thing i would like to do is dave if i’m gonna pass it to you to talk a little about bit about any particulate control that’s going to be on that line if there is any and then after that i don’t know susan if i can kind of pass it over to you to talk about um some of the air monitoring that is done in the area i think that would be really helpful so dave if you want to tackle that first and um thanks a lot for the question ben um the way that this particular plant is project is being approached from the um pm emissions side there is not a specific sense that is going in however there are multiple levels of and when you say sums you have to i’m sorry people don’t know what that is continuous emissions monitoring system i’m sorry um however there are multiple levels of pm control uh for example there are is a water wash dry filter system or what draw to wash dry fill water wash filter system on the coating lines then that’s followed by another dry filter system prior to a concentrator because if they don’t filter that it goes into a you know it can clog up there it can clog up their concentrator and it also provides additional filtering every spray every source of spray has a felt as a filter system on it that they have to provide information for going forward and in addition to that there’s testing as i said there’s testing provided at periodic time periods in order to verify their emission factors and monitoring of those things you know to verify that the particulate system is operating properly so i’m listening to you describe it i always feel like these kinds of things should be in a what’s how it’s made video because you talked about a lot of things and i think it’s hard to visualize so maybe in our next meeting we might want to think about this but um so imagine i guess if you will and we’re gonna really simplify this but someone’s standing with a paint spray can and they’re paint and they’re spraying it basically at like a curtain of water and that curtain’s kind of pulling out some of those big particles and then it also goes through a fabric filter system kind of like you have on your furnace that pulls out even smaller particles that doesn’t mean that none are getting through but they do have control on those so hopefully that answer was helpful um i definitely always put that in my brain like this is a lot of things to kind of visualize but um and susan i would i wanted to pass it on to you next and just as you’re talking um if you could talk a little bit about nearby air

quality monitoring sites in the area just in general and how many there are we had that question come in after we mentioned that you were going to be speaking so if you want to talk about that a little bit that would be great sure so we do have an air monitoring station at osborne high school which is on e7 mile and that’s the site that’s closest to the facility fca is also going to establish an air monitoring station on their property in that station uh the fca is going to establish is going to measure pm 2.5 and the nitrogen oxides as well susan do you want me to show that map really quick i think sure yeah that’d be helpful sure let me see if i can pull that up a second and our site at osborne high school um on e7 mile also measures pm 2.5 in the oxides of nitrogen as well so as you can see on the map um where fca’s monitor is going to be our eagle station is north of there so in that general vicinity there will be two air monitoring stations we have quite a few other air monitors in detroit that are in southwest detroit and just some other areas of detroit and then north of there we also have some monitoring stations in new haven port huron we’ve got one in oak park so kind of surrounding detroit we have quite a few air monitoring stations but in wayne county we have a total i believe it’s 12 and eight are in the city of detroit so we do have quite a few over there and if folks are interested we can definitely share some links to information about those monitoring stations and specifically the one at e7 mile if folks want to do that let me see here get to share back to my other screen for you there we go so i don’t have any other questions that have come in so far and i don’t see any raised hands we still definitely have time while you guys are thinking of some more questions if you like i’m going to go ahead and just go through a couple of these other slides i want to make sure you know how you can submit an official comment on the record we do take these in various ways so you can um mail those in and for those we do have some folks on the phone so i’m going to at least give you the uh address if you want to mail those in otherwise you can always give us a call and we can get you the address or information that you need to but if you want to mail those in those are going to go to a nut switzer she’s our permit section manager and the address is po box 30260 lansing michigan 48909 we also will take email comments we have a specific email address that you can send public comments in and that email address is eagle e-g-l-e-q-d pti public comments and pti public comments is all one word and that’s at michigan.gov we have started a new thing relatively recently where you can actually call and leave your comment on a voicemail so i think we might have had somebody take advantage of that but up until a little while ago we hadn’t had anybody call yet but the phone number for that is 517-284-0900 so if you know folks that don’t have internet access that would be some a way for them to be able to call and leave a comment as well we’re going to be having a actual public hearing a virtual public hearing i should say not actual where we’re live but um a virtual public hearing on september 9th so we’re going to do kind of a similar thing to this where we have an information session and the beginning kind of bring you guys some more information potentially if you want to participate in that and then once the q a session is over or at seven o’clock whichever comes first we’re going to go ahead and start the hearing and just as a reminder if you’re planning on participating in that during the hearing we can’t respond to your comments so that the q a part if you want an actual answer is probably the best way to go about it um i see we did have a question and we’ll definitely get to that so but i just as we’re kind of going through this just to let you know that you we have a lot of other information on there you know you can dig as deeply into this as you’d like but we do have other information on our public notice page so to get to that you would just go to michigan.gov air and then you would go ahead and click on permits on the left hand side of the screen and then pick pti nsr public notice and you’d be able to find information on fca and any other permits we have out for a comment right now

so i’m going to go ahead and put our contacts on the screen and so if you are watching and you want to jot anything down you can feel free to do that while we get to the rest of our questions here all right so this question is going to be going to susan again so susan this is in regard to air monitoring and it says when fca installs their air quality monitor will evil be monitoring its data directly or does it come into fca first so can you talk a little bit about the process with that sure so when fca starts to do their air monitoring generally companies like fca would hire a professional environmental consultant to actually do the sampling do the air monitoring because those those professionals know how to do that and follow all the epa requirements so generally a facility would hire a consultant who would come in and do the actual air monitoring and then they will be sending us the data um probably in in the form of some kind of report so we won’t be able to monitor or view their data in real time we just we don’t have the i guess capability to kind of connect into their systems and it’s commonplace for them to send something like a monthly report or send us the the data after um you know 30 days or 45 days i’m not sure what the reporting time is going to be but that’s typically how it’s done with other facilities that way they can get their data report from the consultant and then pass it on to us okay thank you um so this question is going to go to dave dave can you talk a little about about and actually bob may may be better i don’t know you got i’m gonna pass it today first but this has to do with the cumulative amounts of voc and pm 2.5 emissions from the facilities as a whole not necessarily just from these and if we don’t have an answer to this you know on the top of our heads that’s okay we can definitely respond back specifically about this question to the asker um but i don’t do you have any idea on those cumulative amounts um the vocs from jnapp are approximately 700 um 775 tons per year or so mac is still under construction that’s for bocs for pm 2.5 i don’t know the answer off the top of my head and that’s for allowable not necessarily actual missions that’s what well that’s that is actual emissions from okay from jnab okay um the allowables after after that would be approximately approximately i believe in the 1300 ton per year range however there is the actuals are not expected to be nearly that high that would be the allowables in the 1300 ton per year range 1350 i believe tons per year uh again pm 2.5 would be approximately 50 tons per year allowable from there but it’s not expected to be you know actuals are not expected to be that high either based off of the analysis but um i i can get back to you about the current pm 2.5 from the jnap plant okay i just don’t have that on the top right on top of my tip of my tongue okay and we can always respond back directly to the asker on that one as well and i thought i had a hand up but i don’t see it now so we still have a few more minutes if anyone has any other questions that is um all right to make sure you guys got this and like i said we will be having that other information session and hearing on the ninth so if you’d like to join us for that in the interim you can always reach out to any of us to ask questions we’re happy to help you um after this meeting is over so i did say in the beginning that we were recording this we will send anyone who registered with a valid email address a follow-up that will include kind of some of the information we talked about tonight definitely links to the information associated with the fca proposed permits um just so you have that kind of at your fingertips i’ll send you some information on the air monitoring that we talked about tonight as well and then i will give you also a link to the recording in case you’re interested and a link to that hearing as well if you want to register for that hearing ahead of time but otherwise i’m not seeing any other questions right now so i would really like to thank everyone for coming tonight really appreciate it again this is kind of our the first time of us sharing this information about these fca draft permits so definitely give us your feedback ask us your questions when you get a

chance but other than that i hope you guys have a really great evening and yeah well we’ll hope to see you on the 9th of september