Winning Ugly | Brad Gilbert | Talks at Google

STEVE JAMISON: Brad, this is your kind of place– Google, informal BRAD GILBERT: Very informal You know, I learned to work in my shorts I like to see that everybody– there’s bright people here, but it’s not about wearing a suit and tie STEVE JAMISON: It’s very good, yeah This is informal Friday, but I’ve got a feeling the rest of the week’s about the same as far as dress Now, that first clip we saw before Agassi, you tell me that was you? BRAD GILBERT: That was me, yeah You know, what’s funny is back in the mid ’80s, you think you’re hip when you’re wearing tight shorts, you’re wearing high socks I had the bad kind of fro-mullet type thing But as I’ve gotten older, now it’s like long shorts, it’s like no socks, and the hair is tight It’s funny when you see those old clips What’s funny is, many, the older I get, the better I used to be STEVE JAMISON: Yeah Well, you look pretty good, but you made a comment about the speed of the game back then and now BRAD GILBERT: Well, do you remember about the first time that you used the internet? It was like a dial-up, and you had to use the phone, and it would kill the line or whatever That’s kind of how it looks when you see tennis from the ’80s, amazing how much faster they’re playing and how much more athletic the game has become STEVE JAMISON: Well, I want to ask you some questions, and we’re going to take a lot of questions from the audience here and watching But when you were playing, some amazing things happened You rose to number four in the world at one point You were ranked number four The reason I say “amazing” is because nobody expected you to really be an outstanding, great pro Your mother told me when we were working on “Winning Ugly,” I said, what did you think Brad’s prospects were when he got out of high school? And she said, we thought he’d get a job flipping burgers She was being a little facetious, but she didn’t think you’d get to number four in the world How high in the rankings– what was your own self– evaluation? BRAD GILBERT: When I was a little kid, my dad took me to a Davis Cup match when I was like nine years old at Round Hill Country Club, and he said, you’re playing Davis Cup, and you’re going to be a pro tennis player So I kind of always thought, OK, he must know That’s what I’m going to do For me, my entire tennis career changed just in a short period of time in early January of 1980 when I went to Foothill Junior College, which is very close to here, and I met a coach named Tom Chivington, who explained things very simplistically, made the approach to the game a lot more fun And I felt like in that short period of time– also, for some reason, I grew six inches in about six weeks, which really helped But that’s where things really clicked in for me I never really thought about where I was going to go Just for me, the whole thing was about the journey to get better and just to see where I could go I think part of it is just never being satisfied with where you are STEVE JAMISON: When we were working on “Winning Ugly,” I interviewed Coach Chivington I said, what did you see in Brad that was good enough to get him to your college and your coaching? And he said, it was a very funny thing I scouted him in three or four matches He said, there’s a check-off list that you go through when you’re watching a player I’d watch Brad, and there’s a check-off for forehand No forehand No back hand Overhead? Shaky Second serve? None And he said at the bottom of the page, he wrote, but Brad wins And that goes to the whole secret of your success, in a sense, and it’s what the book is all about There’s not a single stroke tip here It’s all about the secret of winning ugly, which is mental It’s the mental skill that you had that was, in my view, your strongest weapon and stronger than any of the others out there at the time, the guys you were playing Lendl had the big forehand, the big backhand You had it up here Can you expand on that a little? BRAD GILBERT: Well, to me, I always feel like as a tennis player and in my coaching, you’ve got to learn to be honest with yourself what you do well, what you don’t do well, and try to maximize what you’re doing out there You know, I think a lot about what I’m trying to do, but I try not to completely kill myself when it’s over I feel like the most important thing is that you give 100% You compete, you love what you’re doing, and you try to figure out how you can maximize what you’re doing And basically, to be honest with you, that’s all I was thinking I was doing People would say that I’m overachieving all the time, and I’d kind of look at them, why? That’s what your expectation is because I’m overachieving I actually don’t think I am I think I can do better STEVE JAMISON: The whole book is nothing but golden nuggets of how to maximize yourself as a tennis player One of the things you said in our conversations was my whole goal is to make the opponent beat me

with his weakest shots And figuring that out, of course, is the challenge, and then making him hit those shots is what you did so well BRAD GILBERT: You know, what’s funny is the difference between playing and coaching I had my thoughts and styles how I played When I started coaching Andre, it’s amazing how, when you look through someone else’s lens, that things can be a little bit different Immediately, if I thought a guy had a really good weapon, I was like, oh man, I’m going to stay away from that And then when I would tell Andre about a weakness, he’d want to know about the strength because he goes, I want to go right through their strength, because he goes, you break down their strength, man, you just break everything down Mentally, they’re gone I’m like, man, I’m just not good enough to be thinking about doing that But it’s amazing how you can take two guys, two different lenses, and get completely different views STEVE JAMISON: You obviously got him to your way of thinking He won seven Grand Slams with you, didn’t he? BRAD GILBERT: He did, yeah STEVE JAMISON: And so did you get him to exploit weakness more and more as you guys went along? BRAD GILBERT: The biggest thing that I thought when I started with Andre, I just told him very simply that no matter what he did, it could always be better And his dad always said no matter what it was, it could always be better And I told him the pursuit of perfection doesn’t exist It only makes you miserable trying to chase it And I said, you’ve just got to learn to be good enough You are so talented, but yet you’re always trying to be perfect, which is costing you a lot of matches I just told him, a lot of times, you just need meat and potatoes You just need to be at 60% and not hitting for the lines, not thinking about winning one and love STEVE JAMISON: Where was he in the rankings when you guys teamed up as coach and player? BRAD GILBERT: In 1994 when we started, we were playing a tournament together in Miami, and I was, I want to think, about 22, 23 in the rankings, and he was about 28 in the rankings, so he was about five spots below me STEVE JAMISON: That’s ironic, isn’t it, because this is one of the greatest tennis players ever Would you rank him in the top five, Andre? BRAD GILBERT: In the open air, I probably would put him right about there A year from the day when I started coaching him, he went from 28 to 1 And once again, on that, when I coach, I don’t think about numbers I just think about the journey, the process of getting better I remember when I was coaching Kei Nishikori in 2011, and the Japanese media kept asking, when is he going to be this? When is he going to be that? It’s like any time that you think that you have do something, it puts more pressure on you, and the journey is in a player We’re going to try to improve We’re going to try to get better We’re going to work hard, and we’re going to try to make things happen But if you put some undue number and time frame on something, it’s going to make you more conscious of it, and then that’s going to become the focus STEVE JAMISON: We’re going to take some questions here in just a second, but as you probably know, Brad is, in the opinion of most people, the top analyst on television today At ESPN, he does all of the Grand Slams and a bunch of other tournaments And so you know modern tennis as well as anyone out there On the men’s side, who out there in the top 10 do you think you could help the most as a coach? Or don’t you want the answer getting back to the player? BRAD GILBERT: I mean, life would be easy right now if you just rocked up and then you were coaching Djokovic He’s on auto-pilot I mean, how good would it have been the last 10 years to be Fed’s coach? To me, right now, we’re in an era of seeing so quickly after the Andre/Pete thing, that you would think, OK, maybe there would be a little time frame there would have been some jockeying, but it’s amazing how quickly we got Fed, and then Nadal, now Djokovic, Murray To me, I’ve never seen better athleticism in the game, better all-around movement And the skill set– I was sitting courtside in Miami and watching the way that Djokovic moves I couldn’t believe what he was able to do, his ability to stop on a dime, be able to go, to be able to find angles and movements in his body It’s incredible And I’m one of these people that I feel like the modern game is like a moving escalator at the airport You get off of it, it keeps going And I think 20 years from now, we’ll continue to grow And I’m not one of these people that we want to go backwards I just was in an event in Houston, and I saw an older player He was a great player He’s in his late 70s He just was harping on me about the volley’s dead, and why don’t we do this, and he hates the modern game And the first thing I said to him was– he could barely walk His knees were shot His hips were gone It’s like, all the serving and volleying has ruined your body

And I was like, I really enjoy this modern game He goes, I hear you talk about that crap all the time on TV Go back to like we played in the ’50s I was like, no, I don’t want to go back to that time And I think that we’re constantly evolving and getting better That’s what you guys are doing here every day STEVE JAMISON: Is Serena the best ever in women’s? BRAD GILBERT: She’s right there now I think the two best female athletes I’ve seen in my lifetime are both female tennis players, are Steffi Graf and Serena Williams STEVE JAMISON: You like Steffi? BRAD GILBERT: And I think that Serena is right on the edge, and she’s probably the best tennis player in the history of the game, male or female, at her age, at 33, almost 34 She’s had the three most dominant years, and she’s become a great player in her 30s Her longevity is amazing, considering she won her first slam at 17, and she’s now half that older, almost 34, and still playing maybe better than ever I asked her a question in Miami, and she actually got stumped I said, is Serena Williams better now than she was 10 years ago? Who would win? And then she said immediately, oh no, Serena 10 years ago would win She got a little bit rattled Then that night, I happened to see her, and she told me she had been thinking about it for a few hours after she just blurted it out on TV And she said that she was a lot better, she felt like, at 33 than she was at 23 because a 33-year-old Serena, she said, was a lot more adaptable She’d studied the game a lot more and didn’t rely as much on her athleticism, and she was embracing technology that she never did then She didn’t scout her opponents So she said that maybe athletically, she wasn’t quite as good, but she was a way smarter player STEVE JAMISON: If you were playing today as a young Brad Gilbert, you’re 24, 25 years old, how would you do? BRAD GILBERT: I mean, we’re all brassed into think that we’d be good I mean, obviously, I would have to make some changes, but I still think I could be OK I don’t know what level, but I’m sure that I could get a paycheck STEVE JAMISON: Yes, I think you could get a paycheck BRAD GILBERT: I don’t know that I would have got to four with as good as they are, but I would sure as heck be trying I know that the biggest difference between now and when I was playing is that athletes are living 24/7 There’s no off season– the diet, the training I didn’t exactly do the hard core training that these guys– STEVE JAMISON: No, you were not I knew you then You were not the hard core trainer that you later became BRAD GILBERT: I eat kale now all the time, and I eat lentils I had beans for lunch I don’t eat anything fried My diet’s 50 times better I wish I was reborn and had a better diet then STEVE JAMISON: Skill-wise, you would have done good BRAD GILBERT: I think I would have been OK I don’t know how good, but maybe coaching is a better thing for me STEVE JAMISON: Listen I’ll tell you something about Brad, and I’ve said this in front of him before He hit the trifecta of skills As a tennis player, he got to number four As a coach, they said on the air when he was coaching Andre and this tremendous ascent, Brad is the best tennis coach in the world That’s what many thought And now on ESPN, number one It’s tremendous how you’ve gone from one to the other and succeeded Before we take a question, for anybody that doesn’t know what “winning ugly” means in the context of sports particularly, but life, can you give it your definition, how it applies? BRAD GILBERT: For me, it’s all about finding a way to compete and not thinking it has to be done one way To me, speaking of winning ugly, you know that we’ve gone to another level About two weeks ago, the “Evening Standard” newspaper in London– you ever heard of this paper? They have a politician now in London They were calling– Kimmie, what was his name? My wife will maybe know his name, but they were calling this politician, “he is winning ugly in politics in London.” There was a giant article comparing him to me STEVE JAMISON: No BRAD GILBERT: Honest to God that they were saying that he has no skills of a politician, he has no this, he has no that And the entire time, they kept comparing him like 20 different times, but yet he wins the election STEVE JAMISON: There you are– no skills, no forehand, no backhand He’s going to win the election Well, quickly, we were talking about the Mayweather fight, and you said about Floyd, he’s what? BRAD GILBERT: To me, I’m a huge boxing fan because there are quite a few parallels in a one-on-one sport that there are in tennis, and I like the strategy that one person’s trying to implement to the other And when I watch Floyd Mayweather, because everyone thinks about the money and his incredible persona, he’s the all time winning ugly STEVE JAMISON: Explain that BRAD GILBERT: To me, because when you as a boxing fan

or you watch boxing, you’re thinking, where’s the knockout? Where’s the pizazz? He never gets hit He’s a defensive genius He doesn’t knock guys out He outpoints you And a lot of times, you hear the pundits talking about him His fights are ugly to watch because he’s boring He wins He doesn’t hit you that much and doesn’t get hit I’m thinking, man, he’s figured something out He’s not getting hit He’s pointing you to death, and he’s boring everybody So that means he must be doing something genius-like because you can’t figure out what he’s doing STEVE JAMISON: So your pick? BRAD GILBERT: Mayweather, an easy, unanimous decision STEVE JAMISON: No knockout? BRAD GILBERT: No It’ll be, like, 10 rounds to two He doesn’t want to knock him out because then he can have another rematch with him STEVE JAMISON: The whole back section just left to place bets with their bookies, so let’s take some questions AUDIENCE: Hi STEVE JAMISON: What is your name? AUDIENCE: My name is Salim, and I really love talking about coaching So with my son, I don’t think he’ll be playing in the professional leagues, but I’m trying to get him to think about– I love when he’s at bat, he gets a strike He just lets it go, gets back in, and hits the ball But I’m trying to translate this onto his schoolwork, and sometimes he does bad on a test I’m trying to go, think about how do you do it when you get a strike? You get back in there, you hit the ball without– I watched him play and I was like, wow, how do you do that? I can’t get him to translate into his other work For me, like many other parents, his schoolwork is much more which I’m focusing on Any tips? BRAD GILBERT: It’s an interesting question I was probably like your son that I was really focused Back in the day, when we didn’t have no cable TV, everything was about playing sports But obviously, there’s a balance Education is a huge thing We all wish we could be great athletes and be pro athletes, but having knowledge is a great thing And unfortunately, at school, you are judged by a number But to me, I think a lot of our coaches here in the States, and I’m sure a lot of places around the world, we’re obsessed in every sport when somebody comes through, you have to do it this way to become a pro And I’m about, let’s learn to enjoy it Use the life skills, especially like tennis It’s something you can do for the rest of your life It can help you Just because you don’t become a pro, but maybe it will help you in your life skills, or it will help you in your job Try to do fun little games with your kid about schoolwork We’re not going to go from, let’s say, if he’s getting 30% to 90%, but let’s do games or do something to make it fun, and don’t stress him about if he’s not doing great, but we can do better AUDIENCE: We have several initiatives around meditation, mindfulness There’s lots of stories of Phil Jackson applying that kind of thing to the MBA teams he worked with, the flow state, being in the zone I’m curious did you do any of those practices? Did you and Andre work on that? What advice do you have? BRAD GILBERT: It’s a good question Myself, I didn’t do anything I think I was my own sports shrink But I just thought about a lot myself, the plan, what I was going to do, and if it didn’t go well And so I was always thinking about just game plan I remember one time, one of the craziest things I did in my entire life, I completely panicked There was an older tennis player whose name was Brian Teacher, and he was way into meditation and all sorts of things like yoga and all sorts of things in the ’80s I didn’t know about And he had at his place called a salt tank, and it was like this coffin that was in water, and you floated, and they locked you in And he said, you go in there for about 20 minutes, and you just get into deep meditation and think I think 20 seconds afterwards, I was pounding on the door that I have got to get out I was panicking It just was not for me And then when I started coaching Andre, I didn’t really think I translated to the things that I understood, but I did understand the one thing is now you’re looking through somebody else’s lens I’m probably positive beyond belief I’m probably annoying about how positive we’re going to find something positive, so I probably have a little sports psychology in my coaching without having any training But no, I’ve never done any meditation or visualized Sometimes people think, visualize winning No, you’ve got to let it flow a little bit And I’ll give you a question about Phil Jackson I saw him in Australia one time, and I had a little conversation with him And I asked him, I said, how often do you go to dinner with Kobe and Jack? And he looked at me, he said straight up, he goes, excuse me? And I said, how often, away from practice, do you go to dinner with these guys, the two of them

or separately? Or how often do you go with Michael Jordan? He’s like, never And I said, what do you mean never? He goes, team function, practice, then we go our separate ways, or I give them a book or something to read I was like, really? I said, when I was coaching Andre, we probably went to dinner six nights a week, and I said, probably the best coaching that I did was at dinner in a relaxed setting going over strategy And I said, sometimes that’s where you can throw out a hook and find out where you’re going to go with it If he doesn’t give you something, you know to back off, and then all of a sudden, if he is biting on it a little bit, you know which area you can go But I feel like that’s the most relaxed, easy time to coach, and he wasn’t buying it at all STEVE JAMISON: How do you like the Warriors? How deep will the Warriors go in the playoffs? BRAD GILBERT: Well, it’s been since 1976, the ’75-76 season since we got to the conference finals, so I’m very patient It’s been 40 years I think that we’ve got a very good draw I like our chances against Memphis I’m saying that we will beat Memphis four games to one, and let’s go from there That will get us in the semifinals STEVE JAMISON: OK, good BRAD GILBERT: But I won’t wear a yellow T-shirt that we believe I’ll be there Sunday, and I’ll be wearing a black T-shirt STEVE JAMISON: And you’re doing some profiles in broadcast form, right? BRAD GILBERT: Well, I did a little bit of SportsCenter for them, and I did quite a bit of radio in December, branching out, doing a little football and basketball And so hopefully, I’m going to be doing a couple spots next week on SportsCenter about the Doves But hopefully I can do a little bit of bluffing, but I do know the team pretty well STEVE JAMISON: You’re good AUDIENCE: My name is Mike Being a Canadian, I want to ask about two fellow Canadians, Milos and Genie On Milos’s front, do you think he can evolve from where he is? Can his movement improve? Can he improve or is his serve just the thing and that’s what he’s going to do? And on the Genie front, is she done? Has her attitude gotten the best of her? She’s dropping, and she can’t seem to win What would you do with her? BRAD GILBERT: Let’s start with Milos Let’s start with the upside first of your question I like to think sometimes in tennis there’s simple numbers, and numbers can tell a big story To me, Milos is at sixth in the world, and he’s kind of– I’m not going to say in a holding pattern, but if you look at his numbers, he’s got an amazing serve, but his return game, his numbers are low And to be able to knock on the door where he’s going to be able to beat a Djokovic or beat a Fed or beat a Nadal and win one of these things, he’s got to improve He’s breaking it like 11% of the time, and it’s actually down from a couple years ago when it was 13, 14 He holds 94% of the time But when he plays those top three or four guys, he doesn’t hold at 94% of the time Maybe it’s a little less, and actually, his break numbers come down But he’s going to have to improve his break number to where he can be able to break at least 20% of the time to win majors There’s a potential He’s almost 24, so his time frame is now Obviously, Federer’s getting older, Nadal is getting older, Djokovic in his prime But he’s been in that same area for about 18 months I think it’s potential, but like I said, I’ll harp back on the return game more than the movement, more than anything else, that he has to improve that The second part, the Genie army Genie Bouchard had an amazing year last year, an incredible year And sometimes in any field that you’re in, besides tennis, beyond business, beyond life, when you have incredible success, the expectation then goes up even more And she signed a lot of contracts, a lot of deals, and then the expectation went up even more And I think more than anything, the thing that I’ve noticed from her is that she’s beaten herself up a little bit She’s playing not relaxed She’s playing with the pressure that the expectation is there for her to go to that next level She signed all these big deals, and you kind of see it in her face a little bit that she’s struggling with that same enjoyment and passion I think she’s incredibly talented, she’s an incredible fighter, and I think that she will figure this out She needs to get back to not worrying about– I always say in sports, don’t worry about what some writer’s going to do The one thing you can control is what happens in front of you Now it’s a blogger, anyways It’s not even like a real writer So I think to me, for her, she’s incredibly talented, and she has to get back to what she was doing I’d go back to maybe, if I was her coach– she switched coaches Not sure that that was a great move,

but now that’s not coming back I’d maybe go back to watching some of the videos to see what she was doing when she was playing incredibly well to what she’s doing now and try to find out that balance a little bit But for me, if she was a stock, there’s no way I’m putting a sell rating on a 9– what, is she 20? I mean, she’s got time She’s going to come back STEVE JAMISON: Speaking of time, does Federer have time to win another Grand Slam or two, or is he on a descent that he can’t do that at the top level? BRAD GILBERT: It’s probably the question that I’m asked most, and he has most hardcore fans that I’ve ever seen in all of the world They take everything literally and so serious, and if you say something about it, I’m telling you– on Twitter, I call Roger, I call him FedFan because he and his fans are joined at the hip They’re so serious about everything that’s said about him But he, at 33 years old, whatever his team has done, he never gets hurt He’s unbelievably fit He’s so relaxed I watch him play next month at the French He’s the only guy I’ve ever seen– he doesn’t even get any clay on his socks I mean, why would he get clay on his socks? His hair never moves He barely ever sweats STEVE JAMISON: I never thought of that Yeah BRAD GILBERT: His RF logo is absolutely immaculate Everything about him is perfect STEVE JAMISON: Is the answer, then, that he will win one or two more? BRAD GILBERT: You know what? I say this, and I’ve said this a lot on TV It irks the Fed fans a little bit, but I think that he is still playing amazing at number two in the world, but in best of three, he seems to play a little better now But in women’s tennis, take Serena at the same age Women’s tournaments are best of three, and then majors are best of three In men’s, the only thing is that now you add in it’s best of five So the physical part can be a little bit tougher, and I do think that to win a major, he needs a little bit of help, meaning that I’m not sure that he can go through a Djoc or Murray, or go through a Djoc– beat two of those guys in consecutive matches to win one So I think that maybe to win one now, he’d have to have one of them lose I thought he would win the Open last year when they all lost, and surprisingly, he lost to Cilic there, who he had never lost to But that’s what I think he needs to have happen But he still is remarkably in amazing shape for his age, and I think that for 33, is more like a 28-year-old AUDIENCE: There’s no American in the ATP Top 10 What is the outlook for the next generation and what may be missing that the US has not produced a star in the last 10 years? BRAD GILBERT: It’s a good question that we get tired of answering And obviously, in the States, we have absolutely amazing athletes I mean, look at football, basketball, and baseball, but let’s take basketball, a guy like LeBron James or Kobe Bryant, who I think would have been an amazing tennis player But those three sports are subsidized by the government They’re in schools, and a lot of times, you don’t have to leave your area code to be great in one of those sports In tennis, unfortunately, to be great from a young age, it takes a lot of traveling, it takes a lot of money to produce a great champion Right now on the female side, there’s no doubt that we are getting the best athletes in the world on the American side to play women’s tennis because there’s not a sport in the world that’s even comparable to women’s tennis It’s by far the biggest sport in the world anywhere I believe eight of the top nine highest grossing female athletes in the world are tennis players And obviously, in tennis, we compete with so many other sports I just did an event yesterday for Har-Tru, and I’ve been saying this for about three years now For the United States to get a lot better, we need a lot more kids playing on clay, learning to play on clay It teaches you a lot more discipline and teaches you how to build a point All the great Europeans that are great now all learned to play on clay, and the biggest change in my lifetime is that the grass is way slower now Indoors are slower, hard courts So if you learn to play on clay, it transitions you into playing on all other surfaces When I learned to play as a kid, I played in two parks, one called Golden Gate Park and one called Davie Tennis Stadium Golden Gate Park, you could literally look down the court and see a reflection of yourself because the courts hadn’t been resurfaced in 30 years They’re so fast, and so a lot of the American players learned to play on fast courts and so many of the courts we played on tour were on fast courts That’s all changed, so I think we really do need to embrace clay and get it in a lot more tournaments

I’m going to be patient I’m going to be hopeful But we do at the moment have a great crop of about half a dozen 17-year-old male players, and I’m hoping a couple of these guys are going to break through, that maybe in five years, we’re going to put a buy rating on a few of these stocks and they’re going to be our answer Or five years from now, I’ll still be talking about on TV, god, it’s been since 2003 that Roddick’s won the Open It is what is I’m going to be patient, but I’ll go back to that clay thing We need to embrace clay a lot more in the States STEVE JAMISON: Give us two names of that young group that you’re talking about so I can go home and google them tonight and see a little more about them BRAD GILBERT: Francis Tiafoe, who’s from College Park, Maryland, who’s 17 He turned pro, and he signed He’s the first tennis client from Roc Nation You know what that is? It’s the new sports agency from– what’s the rapper? AUDIENCE: Jay-Z BRAD GILBERT: Jay-Z OK, there you go See? That’s above us STEVE JAMISON: Does Jay-Z know Dory? BRAD GILBERT: I’m sure he does But Francis Tiafoe has a chance to be very good STEVE JAMISON: OK, one more BRAD GILBERT: Reilly Opelka STEVE JAMISON: From where? BRAD GILBERT: He is from– it’s near Jacksonville and he trains in Boca, and he’s six foot 11 as a 17-year-old, so he’s going to be another Isner STEVE JAMISON: Yeah Can Isner win a Grand Slam? BRAD GILBERT: Not at 30, no STEVE JAMISON: Can this guy at that height? BRAD GILBERT: You know what? He’s incredibly skillful He’s more skillful than Isner, way more at the same age But Francis Tiafoe is more of a modern, 6’1, moves like Djokovic So I believe that he’s our most talented guy in a long time STEVE JAMISON: If they called you and said, we’ll give you $1 million a year to coach him, would you quit everything else and go to Florida? BRAD GILBERT: That’s a big if, but you know STEVE JAMISON: Question BRAD GILBERT: Yeah, you’ve been freezing him out in the back there STEVE JAMISON: Yes, go ahead AUDIENCE: You mentioned about the training changing since when you played Can you describe a little bit about how much time people spend off the court and what they do? We heard the stories about Agassi running hills in Vegas in triple digit heat, so if you can talk a little bit more in detail about how much time the top players are spending off the court in training BRAD GILBERT: It’s a great question The biggest thing that’s obviously changed since I’ve been a kid and in my lifetime, when I was 12, if I wasn’t playing tennis, which I played a lot, I was playing basketball every day I was playing other sports I was doing everything I could to avoid going to school, but I was playing sports When I was in high school, if a guy was the quarterback on the team, he probably played umpteen positions He was on the basketball team He was on the baseball team Everybody played multiple sports But now, at 10 years old, if somebody’s playing and they’re good in lacrosse, they play lacrosse If they play tennis, they play tennis So many families, when they have a kid that’s decent in one thing, they go all in in playing one sport, and they’re training a lot more I mean, you go down to Bolliterri’s, and 10, 11-year-olds are in the gym doing specific workouts They’re on unbelievable diets And I’m like, man, it’s incredible the technology that we’re building And my first thought is at that age that we shouldn’t be thinking about them being pros Let’s think about them enjoying this journey for a lifetime, becoming a better person, getting education, and then we can think about as we get a little more advanced to thinking about it But for sure, even the kid that’s really good now in basketball when he’s 12, he’s not playing three other sports He’s just playing basketball So that’s the biggest thing I’ve seen in the States by far is specializing in one sport and doing it all year round To your question about Andre, as you get older, I think you need less time on the court and more time in the gym So when Andre was probably 30, he spent a lot less time on the court and more time probably working on his body And I think when you’re 15, you need a lot more time on the court and probably less on the gym So it’s specific to what you are, but I think you need anything, more hours of it, when you’re a kid AUDIENCE: Hi My name is Lazlo So I quite recently read “The Open” by Andre, his biography BRAD GILBERT: It’s a good book, huh? AUDIENCE: It’s a great book, actually It’s very inspirational And I think he quite clearly credits you with shifting his whole perception of what a challenge is in life So when he speaks about being defeated by Pete Sampras

and what that does to him psychologically, and when you come into the picture in the book, suddenly anything that gets thrown at him, he takes it with a totally different attitude to say whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger So you already talked about your innate, natural, boundless optimism Besides that, did you have any other, let’s say, life experiences or big losses that helped frame that mindset that you brought into his life and made him that kind of champion? BRAD GILBERT: I’ll tell you, I am the beer drinking guy who loves doing what I’m doing And at least in my tennis career and my beliefs, I had short-term memory loss I could get waxed And you know, I could be pissed for 15 minutes, but then I’m going to wake up tomorrow, and it’s gone The most important thing as a tennis player and in life, yesterday ain’t coming back The only thing that matters is tomorrow That’s what we can change the approach to And to Andre, tomorrow was– he could beat himself up for six months over something that happened yesterday He could bite his fingers to the bone, bite the nails I didn’t quite understand that whole process how he could grind himself down when we can learn something from this loss and get better I told Andre if I had his backhand, that I wouldn’t sleep at night I’d just be cashing checks He goes, if I had your shitty backhand, I wouldn’t sleep I don’t think I could make the pro tour But to me, I got Andre thinking more about percentage, because I felt like as talented as he was, he was trying to be too perfect or trying to make everything about just being at the bar that was too high, and sometimes, you don’t know how high the bar is going to be In tennis, the simplistic thing is that you’ve just got to be good enough to beat the guy on the other side of the net In the entire, huge tournament, as two men enter, one man leaves And you don’t play the whole draw You just play somebody every other day in a major or every day in a tournament, and you’ve got to figure out specifically how to strategize, how to get past that person And then when it’s over, what we can learn and what we can figure out, and the whole journey and process opposed to having this pre-thought Sometimes he could literally work his way into thinking that there was no chance today based upon how he practiced And I was like, how could you work a thought into what’s going to happen before it’s even started to happen? But he was so intelligent He also blew me away The most incredible thing that I was shocked about Andre was he only went to school until he was about 13, and the guy is one of the brightest people I’ve ever met in my life He has an absolutely photographic memory, like scary He could remember every name in the phone book So we started talking after the first match that I coached him, and I was kind of assuming that he’d be a little bit aloof about tennis because of the hair and the clothes and how he was, and he started telling me When I would tell them about the point at 4-3, how he played it, he could remember every single point of every rally He’d tell me the 17 ball rally This was when we didn’t have videos, and there was no going to YouTube, and he could remember it So he challenged me incredibly that way And so I think from that moment on, I was like, you know what? You cannot judge a book by its cover But I think, to your point, the biggest thing was I just tried to get a little more meat and potatoes in his game, a little more simplistic, and just your talent is way good enough You don’t have to be any better than what you are STEVE JAMISON: Here’s a quick story about Andre and Brad at the tournament at Indian Wells right at the height of your collaboration on coaching with him You guys were having dinner at Ruth Chris one night at Palm Desert, and I was there with my parents They were quite old And I saw you over there and I said, Dad, I want you to meet somebody You were having dinner with Andre, just the two of you So we come around, and my dad had his cane and he’s walking up, and I come around, and you’re in this big booth, and I said, hey, Brad Oh, hey, Steve, how you doing? I said, I’ve got somebody that wants to meet you, and it’s my dad He talks to you, tells you what a great book it is, what a great coach you are, turns and walks away, and Andre’s waiting, never said a word to Andre Andre was good about it, but it’s the only time that ever happened to him where they want to talk to you BRAD GILBERT: That’s for sure STEVE JAMISON: OK Another question AUDIENCE: “Winning Ugly” was one of the best books on fencing that I’ve ever read BRAD GILBERT: On fencing? AUDIENCE: Yeah BRAD GILBERT: OK, I like that It’s one on one See? AUDIENCE: Yeah, exactly, and it changed the way like pack your bag, bring an extra pair

of shoes, All of the nuggets of practical things that you can do to compete and get better What other sports do you think “Winning Ugly” would transfer to aside from tennis? BRAD GILBERT: The way I think, honestly, obviously, anything that I see in sports, immediately, I sometimes look through the lens of the player or the coach, and I always think about– in anything that I’m seeing And I’m one of the only Americans, early on in my career, that I took the time to actually understand cricket I like cricket I like soccer I’ll watch and try to understand any sport, and I’m trying to think about how, in anything that you do, that you can maximize your potential How are you going to do what you’re going to do and do it better? I want to know not just on your skill set One of my most frustrating things is somebody be amazingly athletic, and you hear the commentator say, but he doesn’t get anything out of his talent I want the guy that’s unbelievably athletic but gets more out of his talent And so that’s what I would always think about when somebody’s doing something What’s that little 2% or 4% that can be better? And I imagine in fencing and wrestling and boxing, anything that’s one on one, it gets my mind thinking more But I promise you, whether or not it’s football, basketball, baseball, I’m always thinking the same thing as the player, as the coach I probably drive my wife crazy with that about thinking about the strategy because I always do You’re thinking about your bag I was a little crazy about that I would check my bag five times just to make sure When you’re not quite as good as everybody, you’ve got to make sure you’ve got the kitchen sink in your bag AUDIENCE: Here’s a direct question from Jim Young What pros, either on the ATP or the WPA tour, would you like to coach? BRAD GILBERT: Well, life would be really easy if I was coaching Djokovic I mean, he’s at amazing level But if I was to coach– and I say never say never about anything; I know ESPN could be on this story– I actually feel like whoever it is, man or woman, that I want to start with them younger because you have a chance to build, younger meaning under 25, and preferably in their early 20s that we have a chance to grow together, and you have a chance to maybe make a few subtle changes that when they’re older maybe not But I promise you, if I was coaching Djokovic right now, I’d just be kicking back Life would be good You’d just rock up every day, probably say as little as possible, not screw things up Same like Serena Life is good She never loses But it would be a player younger There’s a couple of incredible young– right now is an exciting time in the men’s game because obviously we have the established players, but we got some incredible young players I like to do the nicknames There’s one guy named Borna Coric I call him Borna Identity Coric, a young Croatian kid that’s going to be great Kyrgios from Australia, Zverev from Germany So there’s an exciting time with teenagers that I believe the next few years, one of these teenagers is going to be the next guy And I think the same thing that Serena is probably– things are going to change over But it would definitely be somebody that’s late teens, early 20s AUDIENCE: As you were talking, I was thinking a little bit about maximizing opportunity, maximizing time, particularly I played tennis growing up and in college, and the warm-up always seemed to me like this is my time to scout out my opponent, especially I didn’t have the option to really know what’s their weakness, what’s their strength, can they move, can they hit an overhead, whatever it was And I’m just curious– did you have any strategies, especially now as an amateur and not having that option anymore, when you have the 5-minute, maybe 10-minute warm-up things to do to start moving and have one step in front of your opponent? STEVE JAMISON: Page 43 BRAD GILBERT: I’m going to promise you I’m going to just give you a golf clap I happened to be doing a Skype the other day with a girl that I’m working with, this very talented 14-year-old When I first hit the road when I was 19 playing in Asia, beyond a cellphone, a computer, if you got a fax that had the “Herald Tribune,” that was three days of reading So you literally had to do all your scouting yourself,

and I would write and make notes But now, you can go to YouTube and get a little clip almost on anybody So she was asking me about, OK, I don’t know anything about my player that I’m playing against And I brought up, then your match completely starts in the warm-up Hit every ball to one side in the warm-up to see if all of a sudden she runs around, if she prefers the forehand, the backhand Kind of screw your warm-up a little bit to find out what she likes, what she doesn’t It’s kind of like, OK, that’s your quick way to scout If you hit the ball down the middle, does she take it on the forehand, does she take it on the backhand? I really think that knowledge, because so many players are talented It’s funny I’ve worked with some players that they absorb knowledge or they’re afraid of knowledge And sometimes, to me, when you’re afraid of knowledge, you don’t want to know your opponent’s strengths and weaknesses I kind of cringe and I’m like, why? Why wouldn’t you want to know your opponent’s strengths and weaknesses, that maybe now what you can do can maximize? And obviously, sometimes at the highest level, and even at lower levels, somebody does something that you don’t think they do They might have that one day where they hit a purple patch But in general, if you have a thought that they don’t do something that well, it probably will come to fruition So in a five-minute warm-up, I even told a lady not too long ago in a– she’s a 4.0 player You know what 4.0 player is? Because she was telling me how much she gets nervous all the time And I say, believe it or not, your feet are completely connected to your brain, and the first thing when you get nervous is your feet start to go, and you make bad decisions So you get the happy feet, get on your feet, and just think about– maybe hum a song in your head, but just tell yourself what you think their weakness is and find that Find the weakness, whatever it is that you think it is And in the warm-up, like you said, if you don’t know a player, hit every ball to one side to find out what side and how do they react to that? STEVE JAMISON: What’s a purple patch? BRAD GILBERT: A purple patch? You don’t know what a purple patch is? STEVE JAMISON: I have not heard that phrase Do you know what a purple patch is? AUDIENCE: No STEVE JAMISON: What is a purple patch? You said “hit a purple patch.” AUDIENCE: It sounds like a bruise BRAD GILBERT: No, no Actually, it’s an English term when you’re in fuego You’re on fire You can’t miss STEVE JAMISON: All right BRAD GILBERT: I didn’t get that that often, but I’ve heard it in cricket, too STEVE JAMISON: So it’s like in the zone You get in the zone Purple patch AUDIENCE: I believe you coached Roddick at some point Is that correct? BRAD GILBERT: I did, yes AUDIENCE: OK So this question’s about Roddick So number one, I wanted to know what your favorite coaching moment was for with Roddick And number two, I wanted to ask you your opinion why that second Grand Slam for Roddick was so elusive outside of Federer competing with him? BRAD GILBERT: My favorite Roddick moment, believe it or not, was the first day on the job Well, first, when he called the house, Zoe wa– so this was the– god, I’m getting old– 12 years ago Zoe was seven No, five Zoe was five He called the house, and this is Andy Roddick Can I speak to your dad? And she goes, he’s in the garden, and she just hung up on him Zoe hung up on him twice until she actually went outside and told Kim that some guy called a couple times, and I was like, yeah, maybe I want to take that call So I got on a plane literally the next day to start coaching Andy at Queens in 2003 And to that point, he had never won a match on grass And he told me that Queens and Wimbledon was a throwaway, that when we get to the hard court in the States, then you could see what I can do I was kind of scratching my head I was like, I don’t understand You serve huge You’re going to be fine on grass He goes, no I’ve never won a match on grass We’ll wait until we get to– he was already talking about Indianapolis, which was seven weeks away, and I’m really struggling to understand this concept that you’re focusing on seven weeks away when we’re three days away from the start of Queens And I’m like, you know what? You’re going to win this tournament, and you’re going to show yourself that you can play on grass He says, no, no, no I don’t win matches on grass So sure enough, that tournament, he beat three guys that he had never beaten before, and he won that tournament at Queens And then at the end of the tournament, he says, well, Indianapolis can wait now a little bit So that was actually my favorite Roddick moment that I got him believing that if you’re a tennis player,

you’re going to be good on anything, but if you believe that you’re not, it will affect you incredibly STEVE JAMISON: You played tennis, you coached tennis, you do great coverage on tennis Which do you like best? BRAD GILBERT: I’d like to think of– I’m 53 I’m almost 54 years old I’m still a long ways from figuring it out I enjoy that in my entire adult life, that I’ve got to do tennis, and I’m still learning I love all aspects I can’t go back to playing I play all the time, but I’m not the same guy So obviously, now I love coaching, I love doing TV, but more than anything, I just enjoy the chance to do something that I really enjoy STEVE JAMISON: Who are you coaching now? Do you do it on an ad hoc basis? BRAD GILBERT: Mrs. G over there, Kim Gilbert, people email her all the time, and I work with different players STEVE JAMISON: Would you work with a hacker, just a 4.0 player? If they said I’d like a lesson, what would you charge? BRAD GILBERT: Believe it or not, I do it a lot So often, people will write back a letter to Kim because she makes it all happen, and they can’t believe that when I’m on the court that I’m going to give them the same love and intensity as anybody And my whole goal is if I’m on the court– a lot of people, husbands or wives, they get gifts for their spouse The coolest thing I just was on the court A guy works– Dan Simon, he’s the CNN guy for San Francisco, and his wife got him the birthday gift I’m on the court, and he can’t believe that I’m actually working on his game and spending the time And it’s like I’m on the court with somebody, I’m going to try to help you and try to understand your game The one thing that I learned from coaching, when I was coaching Roddick, I’m not coaching Agassi When I’m coaching Andy Murray, I’m coaching Andy Murray So when I’m on the court with somebody, I’m not thinking about somebody else I’m thinking about what we can do to look at their game to improve So I did this thing yesterday for Har-Tru and a lady named Kim, and she was holding a racket down at her waist And I’m like, you’ve got to protect your Will and Grace You’ve got to put the racket in front of your nose a little bit, and so we were working on her volley She had never been told that So we did a little thing working on holding a racket Sp I always feel like there’s something we can work on, something that we can help them get better And I enjoy that process as much as anything, trying to help people get better STEVE JAMISON: I know you like to teach, which is coaching, but you have this amazing fascination with how the game works That’s why you were saying– I didn’t know you liked cricket BRAD GILBERT: I love cricket STEVE JAMISON: But whatever the sport, you view it like a watchmaker views a watch You just love the dynamics of it and the mechanics of it and everything about it BRAD GILBERT: I’m not pseudotechnical There are some coaches in some sports that are super technical And one of my all time pet peeves is hearing a coach that has one philosophy– it’s my way or the highway– and he’s not adaptable To me, I’m adaptable to the player I mean, if you have a system, but you don’t have any players that can play the system, you’re in a lot of trouble So I like to think of whatever sport it is, I start thinking to myself, if I was playing that sport, how would I do it? What would be my niche in it? I like that facet of sports STEVE JAMISON: I know that AUDIENCE: At the end of Agassi’s career, his knees were a little shot, I think BRAD GILBERT: No, his hips AUDIENCE: Was it his hips? Well, you hear about Nadal and people with all kinds of health problems Federer on the other hand, like you said, amazing health He’s obviously doing something right Are people learning lessons from Federer or learning how to keep themselves healthy better as time goes on? BRAD GILBERT: It’s a great question in sports There’s more done now on research and everything But there’s no foolproof way that you can keep yourself healthy when you’re pushing yourself to the limit I do think for some reason with Roger, I told you his socks don’t get dirty, but believe it or not, I had a pair of his shoes last year at Wimbledon We had them on set, and me being crazy, I started looking at his shoes, and I noticed something incredible He has all-time Fred Flintstone feet STEVE JAMISON: Which is what? BRAD GILBERT: His shoe size– well, he’s got a 12 for his size, but he had a quadruple E He’s got the widest, thickest feet you’ve ever seen, like Fred Flintstone Maybe that’s why he’s got this– STEVE JAMISON: It’s a base BRAD GILBERT: Nothing else is that big,

but he’s got these massive, wide, thick feet So maybe that’s why he’s got the good base But there is no foolproof science You’re hearing these football players that sleep in hyperbaric chambers, and you do all this stuff to prevent injuries Some of it is luck, some of it’s your DNA Roger, the one thing that he does maybe an amazing job, he paces his schedule When he thinks he’s going to play a block, he plays that block, doesn’t change from it, and then goes from when it’s time to train Nadal’s style, it’s like a running back It’s like you see him and you think, it takes more physical exertion the way he plays You see Nadal when he’s playing He’s in a full lather sweat five minutes in So part of it’s your DNA, too, but to tell you that somebody has some magic formula how you’re not going to get hurt, a lot of football teams who spend zillions, basketball teams, baseball teams spend zillions to keep their guys healthy, and they want to know why Sometimes it really is, I swear to god, this ugly word to say, it’s luck STEVE JAMISON: You mentioned football teams Is it true the 49ers are doomed this coming season? Or would you rather talk about Oakland? BRAD GILBERT: We are in 49er country here STEVE JAMISON: I know it Give us some good news BRAD GILBERT: Some good news OK, I’ll be the eternal optimist that they got rid of a coach that was an unbelievable gift for them, and they replaced him with an unknown But you know what? Now it’s time for the players and time for everybody to figure out that you know what? Everybody’s selling us short No one thinks we can do anything So instead of having that attitude that we’re going down– they call it in Australia down the gurgler You’re going down the tubes That you know what? We have a chance to make things happen and get better And so don’t buy into that we’re going down the gurgler STEVE JAMISON: That’s not a very optimistic message, Brad BRAD GILBERT: Vegas has it that their over/under win total is about six STEVE JAMISON: OK I don’t know what that means, but is that good? BRAD GILBERT: You know what that is? That’s at 6 and 10 STEVE JAMISON: OK That’s our optimistic message about the 49ers BRAD GILBERT: That’s better than they have for the Raiders at four and a half STEVE JAMISON: OK BRAD GILBERT: Right here AUDIENCE: Hi, Brad My name is Kishore and this question is from my brother’s son, who is 13 and 1/2 and is playing under 14 within the top 100 in the country right now So his question is I think he’s at a crossroads He feels he’s at a crossroads because he’s getting into high school and spending I think around four days a week practicing tennis in the evenings and paying tournaments in weekends at the same time the academic pressure is coming in And if he doesn’t play those tournaments, he’s going to fall behind in rankings, and the pressure of having to come back up So the question is, I’m sure this is common for a lot of people, and you kind of touched upon that earlier So what is your advice to somebody like this? BRAD GILBERT: First of all, I thought at about nine we end the halves because it was always like the 7 and 1/2, 8 and 1/2, but 13 and 1/2, I like that There is no such thing in life at 13 and 1/2 as a crossroads Honest to god, I would tell you that’s alarming in itself to hear the stress of somebody saying that I’m at a crossroads Tennis is a game that you can play for the rest of your life And you know what? It’s a vehicle that can help you in everything But that’s the very first thing that I would say You’re not at a crossroads Don’t think of it as a crossroads What do you want to accomplish? What do we want to do and get better at? What’s our goal for high school? Maybe if I’m stressing playing the tournaments on the weekends, maybe we can invest a little more time and maybe less time playing tournaments, or figure out a different schedule, but take out that crossroads That’s a bullshit word for a 13 and 1/2 year old because that’s only putting more pressure, and it’s setting himself up for a fall At 13 and 1/2, there’s no reason to have any type of fall Life is fun It gets hard when you’re an adult, but at 13 and 1/2, life is fun You shouldn’t feel any stress or pressure And I do see it more now than ever, and I see it more now from parents stressing kids that they have to be at this level of expectations that they want The first thing when I do coach a kid, I always want to know, does he want to be good because he wants it, not because his parents or not because somebody else So I want to know that the passion comes from him, and we work with that That’s the most important thing is finding out

how passionate he is and where is it coming from, and talk about the positives, and no crossroads That’s not a word for a kid whatsoever STEVE JAMISON: When you’re doing worldwide ESPN coverage live, have you ever slipped like that and used a bad word? A curse word like you just did? No? BRAD GILBERT: I have not got called in the principal’s office STEVE JAMISON: That’s all we need to know That’s all we need to know BRAD GILBERT: I think, though, in December when I did seven weeks of radio, they have a 3-second delay for the live I think I popped a 3-second delay, but I’m pretty good I sometimes bite my tongue if I’m going to say something stupid STEVE JAMISON: Didn’t you tell me that they want you to stay just basically like you are, and they don’t even call you in for the precoverage meetings and say, do this, do this, do this BRAD GILBERT: I go to meetings STEVE JAMISON: Do you? BRAD GILBERT: One thing about TV– STEVE JAMISON: You go to meetings BRAD GILBERT: –there’s a lot of meetings STEVE JAMISON: OK BRAD GILBERT: There’s a lot more meetings and stuff going on than you’d ever think But I’ve never studied myself, I never went to seminars or whatever, and they do want me to be myself and not try to overthink it I think about when I’m on air, the one thing is it’s like talking on a telephone I tell you what, speak of the telephone, young people don’t even have a land line You ask people, what’s your land line? Excuse me? Everybody’s got a cellphone That’s it So that’s how I think about it I don’t get nervous I don’t overanalyze it I don’t stress it I just try to enjoy it STEVE JAMISON: You’ve been good from the start, although I think Kim Gilbert has got you looking a lot better BRAD GILBERT: Kim Gilbert picks out all my clothes STEVE JAMISON: You’re looking good AUDIENCE: I’m glad you could make it down here, Brad I’ve been waiting to see you down here for a couple years But given that you have a good mind for tennis and you evaluate talent pretty well, when the so-called big four in the men’s game is gone, who do you see as maybe the next dominant male player on the horizon? BRAD GILBERT: It’s a great question You know, if you’d asked me after Andre and Pete, I would have told you there’s no way that we were going to have a dominant player right away I would have thought we might have had a five-year period where it would have been a push and pull that maybe a few different guys would make a move maybe But obviously, it changed, immediately how dominant Fed came, and then outrageously then came Nadal, and now we’re going through it with Djocovic I think we have some incredible teenagers, but like I said, I think Coric, I think Kyrgios have incredible talent I’m hopeful the American, Francis Tiafoe There’s another Australian, Kokkinakis There’s another German named Zverev But to say that somebody winning one or a few to becoming a dominant one is a whole other animal, and there hasn’t been that many, so I don’t like to put that label on somebody If you ask me and say, OK, this guy’s got a chance to be a great player, but to be the next Nadal, the next Fed, that’s a big label to put on somebody And what happens to a lot of players– I told this to our Canada friend– and what happens is expectations on young players sometimes can just wear them down And some have the ability to take expectations and embrace it like nobody and they actually get better for it because they like it To me, how I define absolute greatness, when somebody says, how do you see it? How you know it? When I watch a Michael Jordan, when I watch a Kobe, when I watch a Fed, Nadal, a Tom Brady, at the highest level, when other people will say things are going a million miles an hour, for them, it actually slows down to where it actually becomes absolutely clear what they’re going to do And that is the 0000% You need obviously the genius athleticism, but those are the athletic prowess, to me When it’s 100 all on a basketball game and Michael Jordan’s clear at what he’s going to do, that is so rare That’s what you see from Fed That, to me, is the clearest thing that I’ve ever seen of greatness, that things slow down for them for the same other person that maybe is close in talent, that it speeds up and they make a bad decision STEVE JAMISON: That’s good I’ll just close with this I interviewed you right after you teamed up with Andre He was 28 or 29, as you mentioned I said, can you get Andre to number one in the world? And you said, I can get him to number two After that, it’s up to Andre And it goes to something inside

There’s an intangible at that highest level that you can get them here, but then they’ve got to get to that final rung on the ladder BRAD GILBERT: I’ve seen in a lot of sports that athletically or skill set wise, they have it to get to where you think you can, but then there’s a lot of things sometimes that that last step is more than a lot of different things and how you handle all that Sometimes that one step is a lot bigger than one step, man It’s like football fields STEVE JAMISON: You had a great career as a player with one exception Lendl beat you 19 times in a row and you told me– BRAD GILBERT: Why you got to make it worse? It was only 16 STEVE JAMISON: 16 OK He beat you 16 times in a row, and you were so mad that you didn’t get a chance to play him for the 17th time Why was that? BRAD GILBERT: The 16th time I’m playing him, I’m at Philly at the old Spectrum Arena, and every time I played him, I always felt like Freddy Krueger I mean, the guy just could not be killed The first 10 times, he just waxed me But for some reason, this was in ’91 in Philly I had this feeling for the first time walking out I wasn’t uptight, actually had a sense of calmness And I said to myself for the first time– I couldn’t even believe I said it to myself I was like, I’m going to beat this– I said a bad word I’m going to beat this guy tonight And for the first time, things were slowing down, and I actually felt really good about my chances Little did I know in the second set, somehow I rolled my foot, and it was killing me I knew that somehow, I’ve got to get through this I was up 4-1, double break in the third I got a game point, and I really started thinking about all the times that he had given me a lot of grief in the locker room That’s it I’m going to be able to shake his hand, and say I finally got him And so I got ahead of myself a little bit I choked the easiest volley on top of the net for 5-1 in the third I go on to lose 7-5 in the third I’m sitting in the locker room with three bags of ice on my foot I ended up being out about 10 weeks I had a little stress fracture on my foot Lendl comes over with his normal Lendl sense of humor and he said to me, if I had 110 temperature, and I was on my deathbed, I wasn’t losing to you tonight STEVE JAMISON: Thank you, Brad BRAD GILBERT: Got to love it [APPLAUSE]