1.5 HOUR English Conversation Lesson

Vanessa: Hi, I’m Vanessa from SpeakEnglishWithVanessa.com Dan: And I’m Dan Vanessa: My husband, who is also going to be giving another perspective in today’s conversation Today we’re bringing you an amazing, long, English conversation, so prepare your ears, prepare your mind We’re going to be talking about 12 different topics, and hopefully providing some new expressions and new ways to think about life I don’t know about that, but at least some English help for you Dan: Yeah, it’s going to get personal today, so get ready Vanessa: Yes All right, are you ready to get started? Dan: I’m ready Vanessa: Let’s go Our first topic is family, and my question is, who do you think that you’re the most like? Dan: Who am I the most like, in appearance? Vanessa: Yes Dan: Both appearance and character? Vanessa: Yeah, both Dan: Okay, so appearance I look mostly like my mom, I think Vanessa: Okay Dan: I have more of her skin tone, I have her eyes Vanessa: Yeah Dan: And on her side of the family, most of the people are pretty skinny, and I’m a rather skinny guy My dad’s side is German, and they tend to be a little bit bigger So yeah, I definitely got my mom’s side But character wise, I think I’m a little more like my dad Would you agree? Vanessa: Yeah, I’d say you have shades of your dad Dan: You know me so well, so you can answer this, too Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, I think you have shades of your dad Yeah Dan: Shades, yeah I think I’m more silly than my dad, that’s not very hard because my dad is pretty serious Vanessa: Ah, he’s got a silly side though Dan: He does, yeah But for the most part, I think I’m more like my dad because he has a very calm demeanor, he’s very patient, and he doesn’t get stressed about anything And actually, my dad gets so unstressed about everything, I can’t even understand it I’m like, “How are you so calm right now?” And everybody I know thinks that I’m the most stress free person they know Vanessa: But your dad is even more stress free Dan: Yeah, but we’re similar, like growing up when my parents would be going somewhere, and needing to get out of the house, me and my dad would be the last one out of the house every single time Then we would be like, “What? We’ll make it We’ll be okay No problem.” Vanessa: And your mom, and brother, and sister were saying, “Come on, hurry.” Dan: And my mom is like, “Ah, let’s go.” My mom is much more high stress, anxious kind of personality Vanessa: That’s kind of a typical family situation, I think Dan: Yeah, how about you? Vanessa: I think I have both my parents in me as well I think I look a lot like my mom Dan: Yeah, she looks exactly like her mom, though, like to a T Vanessa: Sometimes when I see pictures of myself, and then I look at a picture of her at the same age, I think, “Whoa We look really similar.” And she looks a lot like her mom, so I can kind of imagine what I’ll look like when I’m getting older Dan: Yeah I mean, you have darker hair, and darker features You got that from your dad Vanessa: Yeah, somewhat But I think a lot of my features are similar to my mom But I think I also got my facial expressions from my mom Dan: Yes Vanessa: A lot of comment that, “Wow, Vanessa, you have a lot of expressions.” Dan: Your mom is very expressive, just like you Vanessa: And I think it’s true that I use a lot of expressions, but it’s just natural for me I do this in daily life as I’m talking about things And I think that I get that from my mom, sometimes I see some of her expressions and I realize, “Oh, I do that too.” Dan: Yeah, I remember when we lived in South Korea, every single Korean person was commenting on Vanessa’s expressions They’re like, “Your face, it’s so exciting How are you making so many faces?” Everybody was surprised Vanessa: I don’t know Dan: I guess in Korea they don’t make as many faces Vanessa: I don’t know, maybe it’s just not Maybe it’s just an unusual trait I’m grateful for that, especially as a teacher, I can hopefully help to explain some different concepts with my face as well But I feel like I also have parts of my dad My dad is a pretty rational guy Dan: You’re rational like your dad Vanessa: Yeah, but I think I also have his sense of humor, sometimes a little strange sense of humor, but we laugh at the same things, we enjoy playing games, and being competitive, so I think that that side of me, maybe some of the character side of me, is similar to him But I feel like I also have parts of my grandma My grandma is a go, go, go, go person Dan: Oh, that’s true Yeah Vanessa: She never stops, and I think my biggest flaw is that I have difficulty slowing down and relaxing, I just keep going and I think that- Dan: That’s why she’s with me Vanessa: … I need help relaxing Dan: I help her relax Vanessa: Yeah, so I think that my grandma’s like this too, that she’s always going, and always doing things, and it’s healthy to slow down every now and then And so, I need to do that, she probably needs to do that too sometimes But I don’t know if I learned that from her, but maybe that’s just part of my-

Dan: I think it’s your personality Vanessa: … DNA, my character Dan: Yeah, I can remember even when I first met Vanessa, she was more go, go, go than she is now Vanessa: Oh, you think so? Dan: Yeah More like so this thing, then the next, and the enthusiasm was always, she was like bouncing everywhere Vanessa: I always have a lot of enthusiasm, that’s true Dan: Yes, it was off the charts Vanessa: Yeah, so I want to know for you, who are you most like in your family? Is it maybe your physical traits or for your character? All right, let’s go on to our second question The next topic is childhood I want to know when do you think childhood ends, and when do you become an adult? Dan: When does childhood end? Vanessa: This is a deep question Dan: Well, I don’t think it can be a specific age, I think it’s different for everyone I think it’s at any point you can leave this house of your parents and live on your own, take care of yourself, and you’re not dependent on somebody else Like if you’re living with your friends and bumming off them, you’re probably not an adult yet So if I had to pick an age, I’d probably say 16 Vanessa: Oh Dan: Yeah, I’m saying kind of young Vanessa: Okay Dan: In an ideal world, I think a 16 year old should be ready Vanessa: Okay Okay I get it At 16 were you ready? Dan: No, of course not Vanessa: Ideally Dan: Ideally, yeah I don’t think our society prepares us to be ready at 16 It prepares you to be ready at 18 Vanessa: Or later Dan: Right, or later But you know, in an ideal world I think you could be ready at 16, but it’s a kind of complicated world now, so maybe 18 is an acceptable age Vanessa: I feel like, for me, I have less ideas about childhood ending and adulthood starting that are physical I feel like it has more to do with making your own decisions There might be a lot of reasons why you have to live at home, or you have to be dependent on someone else, but if you are making your own decisions you are not a child, you’re an adult And I’m sure as our children get older and become teenagers, that’s going to be a little bit harder for us to make that line for someone else, but I know for myself- Dan: Well, this is- Vanessa: … making more decisions Dan: … assuming you are capable as a person to live on your own, of course Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, I think you can still be an adult just making your own decisions, but we still need help from other people as adults, so there’s a… it’s a gray area Dan: Sure Yeah I would- Vanessa: Yeah, it’s not so clear Dan: … also add, I don’t know, for myself personally, having children really makes you an adult It doesn’t have to be true for everyone, but I think it’s easier for some people to just kind of be really selfish, and do their own thing, and kind of live like a kid, especially nowadays because we have so much entertainment, you could just watch TV every day A lot of guys I know play video games a lot, and I’m not knocking on video games but playing video games every day is a good way to remain a child, at heart anyways Vanessa: Sure Dan: This is my opinion, it’s a little judgemental, but- Vanessa: Yeah, I think if you are a good person, and you have a child, then you feel forced to be become an adult Dan: Yes Vanessa: There’s still bad people who have kids, who remain children themselves- Dan: That’s true Vanessa: … and then they’re bad parents But I think if you’re generally a good person, when you have kids, it’s kind of a shock Dan: Yeah, well- Vanessa: Like, “Whoa, this child is so dependent on me I need to be responsible I have to organize myself somehow.” You have to change Dan: … I think being an adult, part of it is having a burden of responsibility of some kind, whether it’s a job, or your house payments, or whatever it is Some people add those burdens of responsibility anyways without children, but I don’t know, for me, it’s just different Like, “This is the person I’m taking care of in my life.” People now- Vanessa: Yeah Dan: … because we’ve got two Vanessa: Well, two coming up soon So I have a question for you, when do you think childhood ends? When does adulthood start? It’s going to be different for every culture, too because this is a pretty cultural specific question Maybe in the U.S.- Dan: Yeah, maybe you have a- Vanessa: … it’s different than your country Dan: … maybe you have a rite of passage in your country Vanessa: Oh, can you explain what a rite of passage is? Because that’s kind of a nuanced thing Dan: Yeah, a rite of passage is something that every boy or every girl does to become an adult Vanessa: Oh, like some ceremony, or activity Dan: Yeah, like a ceremony Yeah, I mean, we don’t really have this in the U.S., some people say college is a rite of passage, but not I mean, more and more, almost everybody goes to college now Vanessa: A lot of people do, but- Dan: Yeah, so it kind of is, but it’s a really bad one because usually people just go, and they have parties, and they live really irresponsibly Vanessa: It’s not a way to become a responsible adult Dan: Yeah, and then you do more school Vanessa: Ah, yes Dan: It’s not really becoming a man Vanessa: Changing your life completely Yeah So I’m curious, in your country is there something that signifies, “Now you are an adult.”, this kind of rite of passage ceremony, or festivity, or party that you have

In the U.S. we don’t really have that, but I think it’s kind of a cool idea that you’re celebrating- Dan: I wish we did Vanessa: … this big change, going from childhood to adulthood, and it is a gray area, at least in the U.S. it’s a really gray area, so it’s nice to celebrate that as parents, that your kids are adults, hopefully And that as a child, “Oh, great, now I’m an adult Society sees me as an adult.” So I think it’s kind of a cool idea, but maybe it’s something we can do with our future kids All right, let’s go onto the next topic The next topic is jobs I want to know what was your worst job ever Dan: Worst job ever? Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Well, I have two competing jobs Vanessa: Hopefully it’s not your current job, making English lessons Dan: It’s video editing and doing these videos Vanessa: Oh, no Dan: I can’t stand working with my wife Just kidding It’s the best Yeah So yeah, really my worst job, if I had to pick just one, it would be being a dishwasher Vanessa: Oh, okay Dan: Now notice, there’s no differentiation between the machine, a dishwasher, and the person who is a dishwasher, it’s the same word Vanessa: So you were like the machine, you were washing dishes Dan: Yeah I mean, you did have a machine, so you’d have something on the side you’d slide the dishes in and all that, but it’s just, I was also like, I think I was 16 at the time, an adult and I had no friends in the restaurant They were all older and they were all really tough I don’t know, in America, when you… the kitchens have a reputation for having really kind of tough kitchen cooks, and they all they swear a lot, and they make foul jokes- Vanessa: They’ve had a lot of life experiences Dan: … and I was just like a little Christian 16 year old kid, washing dishes in the corner, trying to look like relatively normal But I didn’t talk to anybody- Vanessa: And you were homeschooled Yeah, no experiences Dan: Yeah, well at that time I was in high school Vanessa: Oh, yeah, yeah Dan: But it was a small, private school Anyway- Vanessa: You were very different from the other people Dan: … not only was that really awkward, it was also bad because washing dishes just kind of stinks You just get all the dishes, and some of the guys used to make fun that I wasn’t going fast enough One guy said, “Dan, you have two speeds, slow and stop.” Vanessa: You’re like a turtle? Dan: Yeah, I’m like a turtle Vanessa: Well, sometimes I still say that Dan: I wasn’t fast enough, and another time I reached into the mucky, dirty water and I cut my finger on a broken glass and I was bleeding in the water Vanessa: Oh Things you don’t want to know when you visit a restaurant Dan: And I was paid under the table Vanessa: Oh, really? Dan: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Vanessa: Why’d they have to pay you under the table? Dan: I don’t know, because it’s an Italian restaurant- Vanessa: Because you were too young? Dan: … in rural Pennsylvania Vanessa: They didn’t want to pay taxes on their employees or something? Dan: Yeah Vanessa: Oh Dan: Plus who wants to pay taxes on a dishwasher? Vanessa: I wonder if it was because you were 16, like was there an age limit? Dan: I might have even been 15 at the time Vanessa: Okay, maybe you were under the legal age that they could hire someone- Dan: Could be Vanessa: … so they just paid you under the table Dan: Yeah, so that was pretty bad Vanessa: That sounds pretty bad Dan: Yeah, it was an awkward job Vanessa: Especially as a first job, it just seems uncomfortable Dan: That was my second job Yeah Vanessa: Yeah Well- Dan: How about you? Vanessa: … I feel like- Dan: Could it beat that? Vanessa: Well, I feel like my worst job wasn’t bad because of the social situation like yours, it was bad because it was so boring I worked for a summer at this office, I was like a temporary employee just for the summer, working kind of like a call center job But every day they gave us these scripts and we had to call companies who maybe this company bought a printer within the last couple months Dan: I’m bored just listening about it Vanessa: Yeah, and I called the company and said company and said, “Oh, I saw that you recently bought the HP Inkjet printer, and we have a upcoming training session on this day Would you like to attend the training session about this printer?” Dan: She does have a really good call voice, though Vanessa: And I called so many companies again and again, talking with secretaries, talking with other people, just saying, “Do you want to go to this seminar about…” some electronic device that they had recently bought Dan: If you called me, I’d be like, “Yeah, I do Can I buy more?” Vanessa: Well, people were generally nice to me, it was just… it wasn’t a subject that I was interested in, it wasn’t something I was trained to do, so I didn’t feel like it was my specialty, it was just a temporary job to make money Dan: And you were sitting in an office all day, right? Vanessa: Yeah, it was my first office job Dan: Vanessa doesn’t like to sit very long Vanessa: No, I have to go, go, go, like we talked about So sitting in that office desk, it was just not my thing But the office, on the other hand, did really try to make it interesting for the employees, because they knew most of the people I worked with were in a similar position as me, where it wasn’t their life-long dream to work in that job So about once a week, we had these game show competitions-

Dan: That sounds fun Vanessa: … where at lunch, during the lunch break, everyone would go to the lunchroom, if you wanted to of course, and they had these competitions kind of like Wheel of Fortune, or Jeopardy, and the company just had them for the employees Sometimes we had dress up days where we dressed up like cowboys, or dressed up like… they were trying to make it interesting Dan: Come on, this is better than being a dishwasher Vanessa: It’s probably better than being a dishwasher, but I just felt like they were trying so hard to keep employees- Dan: To make it interesting Vanessa: … to make it interesting- Dan: All right Vanessa: … because they knew this is not an interesting job Dan: Yeah, can I say my second worst job? Vanessa: Oh, yeah Sure Dan: Can you guess what it is? Vanessa: I know you worked at a lot of coffee shops, but those weren’t that bad Dan: Working at a coffee shop is good It’s fun Vanessa: Okay, well what was it? Dan: It’s the sharpshooter Vanessa: Oh, can you explain about that job? Dan: Yeah, so I don’t know if you’ve ever seen this in your country, but have you ever been to a place where somebody takes your picture, and then later they try to sell you that picture? I was that guy So we took the same pictures, it was going onto a boat on one of the rivers in Pittsburgh Vanessa: So it was kind of like a cruise boat, but a river cruise Dan: Yeah, kind of It was very kitschy though, like not high class at all So people, before they got on the boat, we forced them to stop and go through the line, and we’d take their picture And it was required, but people were like, “I don’t want to get my picture taken.” Vanessa: And everyone had their own cameras and phones Dan: And this is Yeah Mind you, this is in like 2010, where people already have phones on their cameras and stuff I mean, that’s at least getting more popular Vanessa: Yeah, they didn’t need your picture Dan: No So I had to take everybody’s picture, and then when they got off the boat, I stood at the side and said, “Hey, come over here, buy this picture.” And they were like $20 for one picture Vanessa: Crazy Dan: A terrible rip-off, even I knew it was a terrible rip-off, just not a worthwhile business, at least in 2010 when I was doing that job Vanessa: Yeah, maybe 10 years before that it would have been cool Dan: Yeah, it was a viable business like 30 years ago Vanessa: But not now Dan: Yeah, but not any more That was really bad, and one time somebody stole one of my pictures and I actually got fired from that job Vanessa: Because they stole a picture Dan: Because they stole a picture and I couldn’t I didn’t catch them on time, and I was like, “Good riddance.” Vanessa: Yeah, “Goodbye to this job Goodbye forever.” Dan: Yeah The only reason this was better than the other job, than dish washing, is because I worked with some people who were funny and we got along pretty well Vanessa: And you were outside, you were by the river Dan: It was okay Vanessa: Except you did have to drive an hour to get there, that’s crazy Dan: I did drive an hour to work Vanessa: You should never drive an hour to get to a part-time job Dan: But that was my fault, I wanted to work in Pittsburgh, and I still lived… did I live with my parents? Vanessa: Yeah, I think so Dan: I think I did I wasn’t an adult yet Vanessa: Oh Oh All right Well, I’m curious for you, what is the worst job that you’ve ever had? Let us know And let’s go to the next topic The next topic is travel I want to know what are three locations that you would like to visit or revisit in the U.S.? Dan: In the U.S.? Vanessa: Yes Dan: Why just the U.S.? Vanessa: Well, the world’s a big place, so I had to narrow down the question somehow Dan: Okay All right The first place I’d say is the Grand Canyon Vanessa: Okay Dan: Because of course you have to see the Grand Canyon, right? I’ve never been there I used to live in Colorado, but my family never made a trip to the Grand Canyon, and it just would be an amazing sight, I’m sure of it Vanessa: Yeah Yeah Dan: Second would be the Pacific Northwest, just in general Vanessa: Okay Dan: Because I’ve heard it- Vanessa: Not like Portland, Seattle, and specific? Just- Dan: I think I would like to go to Seattle because it’s a big city and the city sounds cool Not many cities in the U.S. are that interesting to me because I’ve traveled in other places in Europe and in Asia And those cities are so much more vibrant, except for New York City, which is an awesome city Vanessa: Yeah, I’m sure a lot of students- Dan: Sorry, U.S Vanessa: … want to visit the U.S. and they want to see these places Dan: But I’m also from America, so it’s like not as- Vanessa: It’s always less interesting, yeah Dan: Yeah, it’s less interesting to me But Seattle seems like a really cool town, and it’s higher on my list than, say, Los Angeles, which just kind of seems like a big, sprawling, stinky place Vanessa: It seems like a lot more- Dan: No offense, L.A Vanessa: It seems a lot more intimidating, at least Dan: Okay, that’s a nice way to put it Vanessa: Like there’s a lot going on there, but Seattle feels more comfortable Dan: Yeah, it seems pretty hip, too Vanessa: The Northwest Dan: Yeah, the Northwest also because there’s big mountains there, and then there’s really lush and green forests Vanessa: Oh Okay, cool Dan: And I love taking hikes, and if you go at the right time of the year, because I’ve heard it’s very rainy in the Pacific Northwest, I’d like to go and take a nice hike up to a big mountain- Vanessa: Yes Dan: … and maybe hop over to Canada, go to Vancouver, Vancouver Island

Vanessa: That’d be cool Dan: All of that area sounds really, really cool to me Vanessa: Yeah, I’d be up for that Dan: Yes Vanessa: Let’s do it Dan: Let’s do it Vanessa: Tomorrow Dan: Okay Vanessa: Maybe not tomorrow- Dan: Okay Vanessa: … but I think that’d be really cool Dan: And third would be Colorado Vanessa: So revisit Colorado? Dan: This is a revisit I used to live in Colorado I grew up there for five years of my life, and it was when I was a kid, and I used to really consider it my home But now I haven’t been back in probably 15 years, or so Vanessa: Oh, that’s a long time Dan: It’s been a really long time since I’ve been back, and I’d like to go and maybe travel to where I was when I was a kid It’s gotten so much bigger than it was when I was a kid, so I’m sure there’s so many more people there But also, there’s really great nature, there’s a lot of really big mountains in Colorado, there’s the Garden of the Gods, which has really interesting rock formations As you can tell, we’re very nature driven, we want to go see natural places Vanessa: Yeah, yeah Well, a lot of my places have to do with nature too Dan: Yes, let’s hear them Vanessa: I almost said the Grand Canyon, but- Dan: You knew I was going to say it Vanessa: … I kind of figured you’d say, and I think it would be really cool to camp in the Grand Canyon, or go for a long hike in the Grand Canyon because you can’t just- Dan: With two children? Vanessa: Well, maybe when they’re older, or maybe we’ll just leave them at home Dan: They can take it Vanessa: Because when you are just… when you’re looking down at the Grand Canyon, that’s incredible, but I imagine going down into the Grand Canyon, that would also be just another part of that- Dan: Oh, yeah We’d have to- Vanessa: … it would be so amazing Dan: … hike down in the Grand Canyon Vanessa: Yeah, that’d be really cool Dan: I should have mentioned that for sure Vanessa: Maybe with a donkey Dan: Because we’re big hikers, we like to hike everywhere Vanessa: Yeah Yeah Well, one of my places is kind of the opposite of yours It’s not a big city, but you said the Pacific Northwest, and I said the Northeast I’ve never been to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, this area And I feel like one of the best road trips would be driving all the way up the East Coast of the U.S., and going around Maine, and coming down through Vermont I think all of that geography is just really different than everywhere else I’ve visited in the U.S. I’ve heard the coasts, like the Northeast coasts are really rocky, and lots of just kind of rugged coastline, that I think would be really cool to see And the forests, I’ve heard the forests in Vermont are amazing, just a different type of feel We live in the mountains here in North Carolina, which is also a great place to visit- Dan: Yes Vanessa: … but we already are here Dan: We live here Vanessa: But I feel like the mountains, and the forests, and the coast, and other places are pretty various Dan: Yeah, it’s also close to Canada Vanessa: Yeah, that’d be cool Dan: Got to hop over to Quebec- Vanessa: Yeah, maybe do that Dan: … because that sounds like a really cool place Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Vanessa speaks French, so- Vanessa: That’d be cool Dan: … she’d like to speak some French to some Quebecois Vanessa: That would be fun Well, one of my others was kind of similar to what you were saying with Colorado and that area, is going to Yosemite National Park I feel like it’s just a classic place to visit in the U.S. because there’s so many national parks on the West Coast, it’s kind of hard to choose So I feel like- Dan: Yeah, well that one’s a must, I think Vanessa: Yeah, it’s kind of one of the top three Dan: Although I’ve heard it’s gotten crazy popular Vanessa: Oh, yeah Dan: You have to be on lists to get in Vanessa: Whoa, really? Dan: Maybe it’s to just camp, I don’t know Vanessa: Oh, yeah Dan: Your dad went through a lot of stuff, didn’t he? Vanessa: Yeah, when they camped, they had to I think the camping spots were opened, say like May 3rd, the camping spots were opened and you had to go online to sign up, and the website opened… or the camping registration opened at 6:00 AM, he booked at like 6:05 and there were two spots yet Everyone was cramming to camp in that spot Dan: Camping season Vanessa: So yeah, I guess it’s really popular And that was for the whole year, that wasn’t just for that day That was to book a spot to camp for that whole year Anyway, that’s crazy So maybe we’ll do that Maybe we need to book it five years in advance, but I think it’d be cool to visit national parks in the west because most tourism, well there’s a lot of city tourism in the U.S., but I feel like a lot of tourism is natural tourism Dan: Yeah, the meat of our tourism is nature Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, because I feel like the U.S. is such a young country that we don’t have Rome, we don’t have these old cities, and this kind of stuff you can visit in cities, it’s more nature, which is also old Dan: Except New York City Vanessa: Yeah, except New York’s got a lot of cool stuff Dan: As you can tell, I’m a big fan of New York It’s just- Vanessa: It’s a cool place to visit Dan: … it’s a wild animal Vanessa: Yeah Dan: There’s some quote about New York City, it’s like, “You’d be crazy to live here, you’d be crazy to leave.” Which is perfect Vanessa: Oh, well I heard another quote that said, “New York is twice as fun, but it’s three times as expensive.”

So it’s really fun, but it’s even more expensive Dan: That’s also true Vanessa: Especially if you live there Well, my third and final place is, can you guess? Dan: I don’t remember Vanessa: Hawaii Dan: Oh, I read your list before, but I don’t remember Vanessa: Well, I feel like Hawaii, it’s in the U.S., but it’s not Dan: Yeah Vanessa: It’s so far away, but it’s still part of the U.S. and it would be incredible to visit Hawaii Dan: It’s kind of like cheating, it’s like, “I’m in the U.S.” Vanessa: And it’s so far away from the U.S Dan: But it’s like, “This isn’t America, come on.” Vanessa: Yeah, it would be really cool I’m curious, if you’ve ever been to Hawaii if you’d recommend it I know your parents are planning on going there next May Dan: Yeah, and get this, my mom was like, “And I booked these extra rooms just in case somebody wanted to join.” She winked at us Vanessa: We will have a two month old baby when they go Maybe we’ll go to Hawaii, I don’t know It’s a little soon, I think Dan: I’m saying, “Yes- Vanessa: We’ll let you know Dan: … let’s go.” You’ll find out Vanessa: I think it’d be really cool to go to Hawaii, just to see volcanoes, and hiking, and moving around, and scuba diving, and it’s so different Dan: That would be the problem Trying to do all we want to do But if my parents are there, they can watch the kids Vanessa: They can watch our kids, so we’re going to crash their vacation and make them watch our kids- Dan: Yes Yes Vanessa: … while we go have fun? Dan: Vacation crashers Vanessa: Sounds great, so I’m curious for you, what are some locations that you’d like to visit in the U.S.? Or maybe somewhere that you’ve already been that you’d like to go back to Let us know Let’s go on to the next topic The next topic is food Dan: Yes Vanessa: I want to know, what are some of your favorite foods, specifically to cook at home? Dan: To cook at home? Well- Vanessa: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Not to eat, not that someone else makes, but that we cook at home Dan: Yes, usually I go for bulk items Vanessa: Okay Dan: Not bulk items, bulk meals Something that I can get for days, and days, and days Vanessa: Or you could put it in the freezer and have the next week Dan: This is a very, I think, a male way to think about it You’ve got to make a bulk and make it last Vanessa: Ah, utilitarian cooking Dan: Yes Although, you’re kind of similar, I think Vanessa: I don’t like making a new meal every single day Dan: Yeah Vanessa: If we have a soup that’s in the freezer that we made the week before, that’s great, save some time Dan: Sure, yeah The first thing I like to make, I think we have the same one- Vanessa: Oh, yeah? Dan: … is chili Vanessa: Oh, yeah Dan: Yeah, we both like to make chili Vanessa: Yeah, some people call this chili con carne in other countries, but in the U.S we just say, “Chili.” Dan: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Usually I make the chili, so I mean, it’s so easy to make, you just ground up some beef, then you chop a bunch of vegetables, add a ton of spices, throw it in a pot and make it boil, and it’s done Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, it’s great And it gets even better as it kind of melds those flavors together over a couple days Dan: Yeah And you throw in some cheese, and sour cream, and some kind of grain, some rice or something And yeah, it’s always very satisfying, it reminds me of fall and winter It’s a very nice, cozy meal Vanessa: Yeah Hot tip, don’t leave it on your counter for three days and then try to eat it It should always go in the fridge after you eat it Dan: Who did that? Vanessa: Dan did that in college- Dan: Oh Vanessa: … and got sick Dan: I didn’t leave it on the counter, my roommate left the chili out Vanessa: Oh, and you just ate it? Dan: Yeah, he left the pot out It was already like, this is college life here, it was already probably a week old and he left it on the counter all day, and he didn’t tell me- Vanessa: Not a good idea Dan: … and then I went and ate it that night, and then I got really sick Vanessa: But you still like chili, so it didn’t- Dan: But I still like chili Vanessa: … taint your idea of chili Dan: It probably did for like a year Vanessa: Really? Dan: Yeah Yeah Vanessa: I feel like we’re especially thinking- Dan: TMI? Vanessa: … thinking about those types of foods because it’s getting colder here, so making lots of warm, hearty foods, as opposed to in July- Dan: Yes Vanessa: … we don’t make chili because it’s so hot Dan: Yeah Vanessa: You make other kinds of fresh things Dan: I have trouble making summer food, because I like hot food Vanessa: Ah, like soups and that kind of stuff Dan: Although, when we lived in South Korea, I think, didn’t they have something where they eat something super hot in the summer? Vanessa: I think hot or spicy, is that- Dan: And it’s like I’m just eating, and you’re sweating, and the water’s pouring off your face And, “Yeah, this is healthy.” It’s a very Korean thing They’ve got to be diligent Vanessa: Wow Well, what are some of your other favorite foods? You said chili We’re on the first one Dan: Number two would be tacos Vanessa: Oh Dan: I got a Mexican food thing, I think, although I don’t consider chili a Mexican food, but you said chili con carne, so- Vanessa: Maybe Yeah Dan: … I don’t know Maybe it’s Mexican inspired Vanessa: Yeah What kind of tacos do you like to make, because there’s so many different types- Dan: Ground beef, again, just all the spices, and it’s kind of one of those easy things to make, and then you can pile all kinds of toppings, you can put salsa on it Yeah, it’s just delicious Vanessa: I like when you make fish tacos Dan: Yeah, fish tacos are good too Vanessa: Sometimes when Dan makes fish tacos, or sometimes I make them too, we get some kind of white fish like cod or tilapia, and bread it, and then bake it so it’s baked, and then you have some kind of cabbage slaw mixed up on top with some spices in it, and you put that on the tortilla with the fish, with the kind of spicy cabbage, maybe slices

of avocado Dan: Yeah, and the mayo Vanessa: Yeah, some mayo, maybe some- Dan: Spicy mayo Vanessa: … pico de gallo, some salsa on top, that’s also great We make that a lot in the summer, because that is kind of a fresh type of thing Dan: Yeah, well speaking of fish- Vanessa: Yes? Dan: … my third would be salmon Vanessa: Oh, how do you like to make salmon? Dan: Well, I think you can make it in a lot of different ways, but just throw it in the oven with some… like lately we’ve been adding lemon slices and dill, and just keeping it basic Vanessa: Sometimes we put- Dan: Oh, and butter Vanessa: Oh, butter Of course, butter Dan: That’s important Vanessa: Sometimes we do it in the opposite way with soy sauce, and sesame oil, kind of more- Dan: You do it that way Vanessa: … Asian style Dan: Yeah Vanessa: And that’s also great with rice, or some kind of veggie Dan: I do it more European style Vanessa: Yeah, well I think you can’t go wrong with salmon Dan: Yeah, but it’s just a very healthy meal that tastes very filling, and fulfilling Vanessa: Yeah, I think your answers have been much more varied than mine Dan: Oh, yeah? Vanessa: Because I was going to say soup, soup, and soup Dan: Oh Vanessa: I think that, especially now because it’s the begging of the winter, those are the types of things that we like to eat But recently, I’ve been making a lot of butternut squash soup, and it’s a type of squash, and you just peel it, and then you chop it up, and you steam it with some cumin, and paprika, and coconut milk, and red peppers- Dan: It’s a nice appetizer Vanessa: … and you can also maybe dip some bread in it’s mixed together, because you have to blend it It’s really great It feels kind of cleansing, especially if you’ve eaten- Dan: It’s not filling enough to me Vanessa: It’s nice to have with something else sometimes Dan: I need some meat in my life Vanessa: Typical answer, right? I think we also made a really great, it’s called Italian vegetable soup, but I don’t know if it’s actually Italian, I don’t know why it’s considered Italian Dan: It’s probably Italian American Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Everything American’s say is Italian, I bet you every Italian out there is like, “That is not Italian.” Vanessa: Yeah, that- Dan: “What is this?” Vanessa: That is not- Dan: Is that Italian? Vanessa: … an Italian accent, but that’s okay Dan: Zut alors Vanessa: That is- Dan: Oh, that’s French Vanessa: Yeah, certainly not Italian Though when we make the Italian vegetable soup, it’s basically every vegetable you can imagine mixed in a pot, even with some tomatoes, and cabbage, and everything, peppers, and everything mixed together, and some ground beef So it kind of has a hearty, beefy flavor, but it also has a lot of vegetables so it feels healthy and filling with some nice bread to dip it in Dan: It was very good Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Although, I will say that you can probably tell from this conversation that we are not chefs Vanessa: No Dan: We don’t prepare like really good meals very often Vanessa: Or something that’s fancy Dan: They’re delicious, but they’re not they don’t have, you know, what’s a sous vide, or something Vanessa: Oh, something that’s really exciting Dan: Yeah Vanessa: Well- Dan: Although I did make risotto, that was really good Vanessa: Oh, yeah You’ve made risotto a lot Dan: I made some really good risotto, and I felt like it took a lot of work, and that was fun Vanessa: I think it took some particular attention to detail and I won’t do that Dan: You know, you use lemon zest, any time you use lemon zest, I feel like you’re probably crossing over to chef territory Vanessa: Oh, okay Well, you have crossed over into chef territory a few times I remain clearly on the other side, just happily eating whatever you make But I’m curious for you, what are some of your favorite foods to eat at home? What are some of your favorite foods to make at home? Maybe it’s something that comes from your country, or maybe it’s just something that you like to make, like toast, something simple Let us know Dan: Toast Vanessa: Yes All right, let’s go to the next topic The next topic is housing I want you to dream big, if you could have your dream home, what three features would it have? Let’s say this is a dream home, this is idealistic, this is not realistic Dan: This is probably not going to happen to us Vanessa: No, but it’s just a dream Everyone can dream, right? Dan: Yeah Vanessa: What would you ideally love to have? Dan: A palace A castle Vanessa: Hopefully you can hire some people to clean it at that point Dan: Okay, not really So the features of the home? Vanessa: Yes, what three features would you love to have if you could dream and build your own home? Dan: Okay Well, first, I would want the living room, and I don’t know is a living common in other countries? Vanessa: Yeah, a place where you have a couch, and maybe a TV Dan: This is where you gather together, where you have the couch, and where you visit with friends I would like this room to be humongous, and have a really large window Vanessa: Are we talking soccer field size humongous, or are we talking like twice as big as a normal one? Dan: I’m talking football stadium big Vanessa: Okay Dan: No, not really Just large Large ceilings, vaulted ceilings as they say in the industry Vanessa: Okay Dan: And a very large window Vanessa: Okay Dan: Or large windows Vanessa: I said the same thing I would like a main room with a big window Dan: Yes, but there’s more Vanessa: Okay Dan: And it needs a great view, an incredible view Vanessa: Oh, what’s a good view for you?

What would be an ideal view? Dan: I really love looking out at the ocean, that would be great I’m not a big fan of where I live on the East Coast of America, the beaches are all kind of the same to me They’re not my favorite This would be in the Mediterranean, on a big cliff Vanessa: Oh, so it wouldn’t be- Dan: Yeah, a cliff side home Vanessa: … in the U.S., okay Dan: Yeah, it wouldn’t be in the U.S., sorry U.S Well, maybe somewhere in the U.S. I don’t know Vanessa: Could be Pacific Northwest, you’ve never been there You don’t know Dan: It may be the Pacific Northwest, maybe that’s my kind of ocean view Vanessa: Yeah, so you’d like an ocean view? Dan: It’d be really high Looking down on my kingdom Vanessa: So you’d need to be a king too? Dan: I have to be a king in this scenario Vanessa: This is getting a little excessive Dan: So yeah, a really big, open ocean view Remember, this is dreaming Vanessa: This is dreaming All right, keep dreaming What else would you like? Dan: All right, so it’s very open, so close by would be a very epic, open kitchen Vanessa: Oh, so open you mean it’s connected to the living space? Dan: Yeah, this is popular, I think, nowadays in architecture Vanessa: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Dan: Yeah, so open to the living room Vanessa: So as you’re cooking- Dan: At least- Vanessa: … you can still talk to your guests Dan: Yeah, at least part of the kitchen would be visible Vanessa: Yeah, so at the moment, our kitchen is open to the living room Dan: Yes, we have this now Vanessa: We don’t have an epic, giant- Dan: Except for the view Vanessa: … living room with a view of the Mediterranean Dan: And the big kitchen Vanessa: Yes, but we have an open space, so it’s kind of like one room Our kitchen is connected to our living space, so when our guests, or our friends, or our family, or our kids are in the living space, the living room, we can see them and still kind of interact So this type of layout is pretty popular, at least in newer houses, or as people remodel their houses, they’re kind of looking for this open layout, is what it’s called Dan: Yeah, it’s called an open floor plan Vanessa: Open floor plan, that’s the word Yeah So anything else you would like in this amazing house? Dan: Yes, there’s one more thing in my palace Vanessa: Okay, in your kingdom Dan: In my kingdom So there would be a game room, because I love games a lot Vanessa: Okay, what kind of games? Dan: All kinds of games So we actually rented a place like this that was very similar Vanessa: Oh, like your grandparents rented that beach house Dan: Actually my grandma rented it It was a beach house, so it was like four layers of house Vanessa: That’s crazy Dan: It was humongous It was called The Ritz- Vanessa: Of course Dan: … which is like a fancy thing So the very top floor of this building was just this giant game room They had a pool table, they had a- Vanessa: A ping-pong Dan: Oh, that was… the ping-pong table was somewhere else But in palace, the ping-pong table would be in the same room Vanessa: So ping-pong, foosball, pool Dan: Other games too, chess, yeah Vanessa: Oh, board game cabinets Dan: There would be all kinds of games There’d be a TV with video games, it’d just be fun everywhere Vanessa: Okay, so you want a whole big room? Dan: And then I’d have to lock it up so I didn’t go in, because I’d spend all my time in there Vanessa: Okay, so you’d have to request the key from one of the people? Dan: You Vanessa: From me? Okay Dan: “Gate keeper, let me in the game room.” Vanessa: I’m sorry to say, but in my dream home- Dan: There’s no game room? Vanessa: … there is not a game room, although it’s a fun idea It’s a good idea Dan: Save that for the vacation home? Vanessa: Yeah, that’s good if your grandparents rent a house for a week and invite all the family Dan: Yes, it was perfect for that Vanessa: That’s a good thing to have, but maybe not in my forever house Dan: Okay, what’s your forever dream home look like? Vanessa: Well, I did say I’d like a main room with a big window I think that would be really great So we have some- Dan: But what’s your ideal view? Vanessa: I didn’t really say I feel like it doesn’t have to be the beach, maybe not someone else’s house right there, but it could be the mountains, that would be nice Dan: Sure Vanessa: But I also like- Dan: Any kind of picturesque view Vanessa: … I don’t like to be isolated, so if you have a beautiful mountain view, that means you probably live in the middle of the mountains away from everybody Dan: It’s true Vanessa: So I don’t mind if the view’s not perfect, but I’d just like to have a big window with lots of light, that’d be really great The other thing that I said is a little more practical, and that is a huge studio room with different walls that I can film on Dan: Very practical for the Fearless Fluency Club Vanessa: Yes Dan: Oh, wait, and for YouTube Vanessa: Yes So for, of course, the fearless fluency club, and also for YouTube, having different locations where I can easily film And the room where we often film videos, in here, it’s okay It’s not super small, but I have an image of- Dan: It’s pretty small Vanessa: … four different walls with different backgrounds and different things that I can move lights and easily have different locations to film, I think that would be really cool So I’m starting out small, we have this room, and then maybe someday in my dream home Dan: Yeah, this is way better than our other house Vanessa: Oh, yeah, where we used to live in the apartment Dan: She used to film in a closet Vanessa: It wasn’t a closet, but it was really small Dan: Two closets combined Vanessa: Yeah, it was like a little triangle room Dan: It was very small Vanessa: But- Dan: Hey, we made it work Vanessa: Yeah, it worked We made it work And the other feature that I would like is, in a dream home, is a roof deck Dan: That’s cool

Vanessa: Yeah, so some stairs, and then a little roof- Dan: This is the adventurer in Vanessa speaking Vanessa: … on the top so you can look down everywhere Dan: But that’s in my house, too Vanessa: Oh, it’s in your house? Oh, good Maybe we can have a house together And also at night you could lay up there and see the stars I think that would be really cool- Dan: Yeah, that would be neat Vanessa: … so you could have a perfect place to stargaze Dan: I don’t know why more houses don’t have this Vanessa: Yeah, we should put a deck on top of our house Dan: Yeah, why not? Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Maybe some architect out there has a reason “Well, actually it’s bad for structural integrity.” Vanessa: I think that people just don’t value stargazing like we do Dan: Maybe Vanessa: It’s really cool to see the stars at night, and especially if you’re… if you just have a perfect view from a rooftop deck Dan: You’re perched in a high place Vanessa: Yeah, that’d be really cool Well, it was nice to dream Thanks for dreaming with me Dan: Yeah Oh, dream’s over Vanessa: Yeah I’m curious for you, if you could have your dream home, what features would you like in that home? All right, let’s go to the next topic The next topic is nature Dan: Nature Vanessa: I want to know what are two cool facts about animals or nature? Dan: You want to know two facts? Vanessa: Yeah, so we did a little bit of research before this, because we love watching animal documentaries Dan: Okay, well I have a story behind my first factoid Vanessa: Okay Dan: One time I was talking to my mom, I don’t remember how this came up, but we were talking about turtles And I don’t know why we were talking about turtles, but she said, “Did you know that turtles breathe through their butts?” My mom said this And we, for days, we were like, “Mom, turtles where did you hear that? That is so- Vanessa: Were you a kid? Dan: That was like, no, I was older Vanessa: Okay Dan: Probably a teenager, I guess Vanessa: Okay Dan: But we, me and my siblings, we all just made fun of her We were like, “Mom, you just made that up Where on Earth did you hear that?” But really, it’s actually true A turtle can breathe through its butt Vanessa: What? Dan: It’s true Vanessa: Wait, why do they do this? Dan: Okay, so it’s when they’re hibernating I looked it up to verify because I remember hearing that that actually was true So in the winter, it gets really cold, obviously, and they live under water So it’s like really cold, it’s almost freezing, and they can’t use their lungs So they basically suck water up their butts, and the water gives them oxygen, therefore- Vanessa: Oh, why? Dan: … they breathe through their butts in the winter when they’re hibernating Vanessa: Wow, and your mom was right Dan: So my mom was right, but we just… we did not believe her when she said that Vanessa: I mean, it’s really bizarre, so why would you believe her? Dan: Yeah Also, it was very random of her She was like, “Don’t turtles breathe through their butts?” Vanessa: And we were like, “Mom, you just made that up There’s no way.” Dan: But it’s true Vanessa: But it’s true Dan: So this is turtles who specifically live in the water? Not box turtles, or those types of things Vanessa: No Yeah, turtles but not ocean turtles either Dan: Okay, so just ones that live in fresh water- Vanessa: Yes Dan: … and live in the water? Vanessa: Oh, okay Dan: This is a very… yeah, tell your friends Vanessa: Oh Dan: Turtles breathe through their butts Vanessa: Before you get to your second fact, I’m going to share one of mine- Dan: Okay Vanessa: … which is amazing about butterflies and caterpillars We recently- Dan: We’re like a nature documentary now Vanessa: Well, I included this because- Dan: Should we talk like David Attenborough? Vanessa: I feel really nerdy about animals Dan: “The beautiful butterflies.” Vanessa: Yeah, if you’ve ever seen nature documentaries by BBC, David Attenborough is one of the main commentators He’s been a staple of nature documentaries for over a decade, two decades, three decades maybe, the ’70s So we are big fans of him and his work, but I included this topic because we’re nerdy about animals and nature, and like that stuff, and I thought it would be fun to talk about Dan: Sure Vanessa: Well, a couple months ago, we found four monarch butterfly caterpillars in our backyard And they didn’t look so good, they looked like they needed a little bit of help, so we gave them some milkweed leaves, which is what monarch butterflies eat, or monarch caterpillars eat, and we put them in this… we have a butterfly net, it’s like a little container where you can grow butterflies Dan: Grow and release Vanessa: Yes And so we put the caterpillars in there, gave them a lot of leaves, and they turned into cocoons Then two of them died, but two of them became butterflies, it was really amazing, so that kind of sparked my interest in learning more about that We kind of all know caterpillars become butterflies, but did you know that a caterpillar, when it creates a cocoon, it will liquefy it’s body It’s like a soup inside the cocoon, and it is digesting, it’s eating itself inside the cocoon, and its DNA just kind of mixes around and becomes a butterfly Dan: Yeah, so it’s not like wrapping a blanket around itself Vanessa: No Dan: Because- Vanessa: It’s crazy Dan: … usually when I thought of a cocoon, you would think that the caterpillar spins something around itself, but no, it’s literally liquefying its body on the inside, and then

turning into, I believe the technical term is a pupa Vanessa: A pupa Yeah, so inside when it actually makes that cocoon, so we saw this happen, where the cocoon pops out of the caterpillars body, and the skin and the head pop off, and they fall onto the ground because- Dan: It’s kind of like a Halloween story Vanessa: It is It’s pretty horrific, if you think about it Dan: It was almost Halloween Vanessa: And inside the cocoon is the liquefied soup of the butterfly Dan: And it’s body liquefied and it turned into a terrible creature Vanessa: How did nature- Dan: A butterfly Vanessa: … think that this would work? But it does, it’s amazing Wow So, that’s my first cool fact about nature Dan: Cool nature factoid Vanessa: Yes Caterpillar soup Dan: All right My second is about the noble albatross Vanessa: Albatross are so cool Dan: Although if you say something is an albatross, that kind of means it’s a bad thing, or like a burden It’s like a saying Vanessa: Ah, that’s kind of like an old fashioned expression But- Dan: Yeah But anyways, my factoid is- Vanessa: … it is a bird Dan: … an albatross has the longest wingspan of any bird Did you know that? Almost 12 feet long, or 3.2 meters Vanessa: Three meters? Dan: Something like that Vanessa: Three meters is so long, so that means from the tip of one wing to the tip of the other wing is three meters, 12 feet Dan: Yeah, it’s a really huge bird Vanessa: One bird Dan: And actually, if you’ve watched any David Attenborough documentaries- Vanessa: Or others Dan: … we watched one with the albatross, it needs to take a really long run before it flies, because its wings are so huge- Vanessa: Like a huge airplane, it needs a lot of runway to get off Dan: But there’s a lot of other animals What was it in the documentary that was trying to get them? Vanessa: It was the babies Dan: Oh, sharks Vanessa: Yes Dan: Because they would crash in the water and the sharks would eat them Vanessa: When the babies were first learning how to fly, a lot of them crash in the water, and I think they do it the same time every year, so sharks gather there- Dan: They wait for the babies Vanessa: … and as the babies are learning to fly, if they fail on their first try, that’s it Dan: Yeah, they can’t make it Vanessa: Anyway, that was a really sad part of the documentary Dan: But once they actually get in the air, an albatross can stay in the air for up to 10,000 miles, which is a lot of kilometers Vanessa: 6,000, 7,000 kilometers? Dan: Yeah, I’m not so good with those conversions that everybody else uses Vanessa: Yeah, and I remember you also told me that they could fly for- Dan: A day Vanessa: … a whole day with just one [inaudible 00:47:30] Dan: Just one flap of their wings Vanessa: If they have the right wind, because they go off into the ocean Dan: Yeah, it requires good wind Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Because they just use the wind to bounce up and down Vanessa: So they only need to flap their wings one time per day, if there is good wind Dan: It’d be a very lonely existence, just flying over the ocean Vanessa: But talking about lonely, they also mate for life Dan: That’s lonely? Vanessa: Well, no, that’s crazy because they most birds are not like that, so they go off alone into the ocean to hunt, and then once a year they come back to the same place and they hope that their husband or wife, their mate, has survived also Dan: And then they promptly cheat on them Vanessa: Well, they are not monogamous Dan: They have partners that they regularly come back to, but then they also go and flirt with other birds Vanessa: Other birds as well, but they have the same main partner for their whole lives, and they only see them once a year, but they find each other at that same… on the same rock, on the same land, every… albatross are really cool Dan: [crosstalk 00:48:34] kisses Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, you should look up some videos about albatross, they’re really cool Well, one of my other cool facts- Dan: What’s your last factoid? Vanessa: … my last cool fact is about a mantis shrimp Dan: The mantis shrimp Vanessa: We think about shrimp as the thing that we eat, but the mantis shrimp is really different I’ll show you a picture here The mantis shrimp is an insane animal It has the best visual senses of any animal, including humans I looked this up to make sure I could explain it correctly Humans have three photoreceptors in our eyes How many do you think the mantis shrimp have? Dan: 10 Vanessa: 12 to 16 So this means they can see infrared, they can see ultraviolet, they can see every possible thing that’s coming through the light spectrum It is crazy Dan: Basically thank god it’s not huge and lives on land, because it would kill us Vanessa: Yes, this and it can also punch through, it has the- Dan: Look how it’s hand’s like this Vanessa: Yes, they’re like this It can punch through bulletproof glass that is 1 centimeter thick So it’s almost impossible to keep a mantis shrimp in an aquarium because- Dan: Because it will break the glass Vanessa: … they’re so strong… it’s just a shrimp, they’re small, but it can punch through bullet proof glass, and most aquariums don’t have bullet proof glass, it’s less than that

Dan: Why not? Vanessa: But it will punch through the glass and get out, so they can see everything, and they also can punch through the glass, which is absolutely insane There’s a lot of really cool videos- Dan: And they look cool too Vanessa: Yeah, colors, and their big eyes Dan: Yeah, beautiful You should share the comic about it too There’s a popular comic in America called The Oatmeal Vanessa: It’s a website Dan: Yeah, it’s a website And they have a whole story about the mantis shrimp Vanessa: Yeah, there’s a good YouTube video too, about the mantis shrimp Dan: About it? Oh Vanessa: I think it’s… who’s that guy who does kind of funny stuff about animals who’s like, “That’s how the mantis shrimp do.” Dan: Oh, zefrank Vanessa: Zefrank, yes Dan: Look up zefrank for a good laugh Vanessa: Just look up mantis shrimp on YouTube, you’ll find many great things because those animals are cool All right, we had a chance to be nerdy, let’s go on to the next topic, and I want to know for you, do you know any cool animal facts? Dan: Yeah Vanessa: All right, let’s go to the next topic The next topic is holidays And it is the end of November-ish, which is Thanksgiving time in the U.S., so I want to know, in your experience, what is Thanksgiving like in the U.S.? Dan: In the U.S., well it’s pretty much just an American holiday, right? Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Or Canadian, I suppose Vanessa: Canada also has Thanksgiving Dan: So for Thanksgiving, the primary thing that we do is eat food Vanessa: Okay, next topic Dan: The end Vanessa: Oh, yeah, it’s pretty much all about food Dan: It’s really all about the food, especially turkey Vanessa: So tell us about food on Thanksgiving Dan: Pretty much everybody gets a turkey Vanessa: A big, full turkey Dan: Yeah, there must be this huge spike in turkey sales in November in the U.S Vanessa: Oh, yeah Dan: But everybody gets a turkey, you cook the whole turkey, and you get gravy, and you pour it on there, and there’s something called stuffing as well, which is this bread pudding kind of thing, I guess Vanessa: Yeah, well, you have it inside the turkey, usually you cook some seasonings, and lemons, and breads, and all different types of things inside the turkey Dan: Some may argue that the stuffing is better than the turkey Vanessa: Yeah, sometimes it is Dan: I’m one of those people- Vanessa: Stuff is great Dan: … I just eat the stuffing Vanessa: It’s really full of turkey juices, so it’s kind of like a breaded mixture, I’ll try to share a picture, but stuffing, turkey Dan: So the holiday is really just centered around the meal, and then you invite lots of family over Vanessa: Yes Dan: And usually one family member will host a lot of family, I find Vanessa: Yeah Dan: And sometimes friends as well, but like your dad has been doing friends for the last few years Vanessa: Yeah Dan: But traditionally, it’s only family Vanessa: Yeah, I think this is definitely more a family holiday, that you say goodbye to your friends, go back home wherever you came from, if you live far away from your parents, maybe you’ll go back home and have Thanksgiving at their home, or maybe they’ll come visit you It’s kind of a time for families to come back together during Thanksgiving Dan: Yeah And if you are a very bonded family, then you always say what you’re thankful for Vanessa: Oh Dan: So every year my family would always say something they’re thankful for around the table And usually when I was a kid I remember being like- Vanessa: “I don’t want to do this.” Dan: “I don’t want…” but now I’m like, “I’m thankful for everybody and everything in my family It’s so beautiful.” Get a little more sentimental when you get older Vanessa: Yeah Well, back to the food, we’re kind of talking about the traditions now, but back to the food, the typical things are a big turkey bird, a full bird, you don’t have just slices of turkey, you have the full bird and then you cut it up Dan: Yeah Vanessa: And then stuffing, green beans is common with gravy, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, in the south of the U.S., sweet potato casserole is really big This is insane- Dan: With brown sugar on it Vanessa: … it’s insanely sweet because it’s sweet potatoes, which are orange and already pretty sweet naturally, then brown sugar, and then- Dan: Marshmallows, right? Vanessa: … marshmallows, for dinner Dan: Oh, I forgot about that Vanessa: Crazy, but- Dan: I always eat like this much of that because it’s too sweet Vanessa: It’s really rich, but that’s kind of a southern thing, and you also always have cranberry sauce Dan: Right Vanessa: This is… a cranberry is a really tart berry, it’s so tart, it’s really sour, but when you mix it with a lot of sugar, it’s great Dan: And you need mashed potatoes Vanessa: Yeah, so the cranberries, and the mashed potatoes, and the turkey, it’s a perfect combination That kind of tart flavors with the mashed potatoes with the turkey, it kind of mixes together really great Dan: Yeah, basically the point is to eat so much you can barely move at the end of the day Vanessa: Well, they do say that turkey, the bird, the turkey meat, has some kind of- Dan: Tryptophan Vanessa: Is that what it’s called? Dan: I think so Vanessa: That kind of enzyme in it Isn’t it enzyme? Hormone, or- Dan: Chemical? Vanessa: It has something in the meat naturally that makes you feel sleepy, so at Thanksgiving that’s really one of the only times when we eat turkey, so because we eat so much turkey, it’s kind of stereotypical to say after the Thanksgiving meal everyone crashes on the couch and watches football So it’s kind of a tradition Dan: Yeah, football is probably the most American aspect of this

Vanessa: Yeah Dan: They don’t really play football in other countries, do they? Vanessa: Well, this is American football Dan: I mean, not… yeah, not- Vanessa: American football Dan: … real football, like you know, not kicking the ball Vanessa: Soccer Dan: Football like, we throw the ball, and we tackle each other, and stuff Vanessa: Yeah, so there are… there’s always a football, an American football game on Thanksgiving, so that’s why some of the sayings abut Thanksgiving is the three Fs, family, food, football When I was growing up, my family would eat Thanksgiving, and then we often would go to the living room and watch football together, even though we weren’t big football fans It’s kind of just- Dan: It’s just tradition Vanessa: … what you do So we would say what we were thankful for, and then- Dan: It’s the American religion Vanessa: … watch football, and that was just kind of a family time together I don’t know Did you guys ever do anything? Sometimes we threw a football in backyard Dan: Yeah, a few years we would throw the football Our family didn’t watch that much football Vanessa: Yeah- Dan: We would sometimes, just like the Superbowl, that’s all Vanessa: Yeah Yeah, so I’m curious, for you, in your country, do you have any fall meal holiday that’s really centered around food? Dan: Yeah, we should also say, I think it’s supposed to also traditionally be you feast on all the food that you grew Vanessa: Yeah, but most people are not farmers nowadays Dan: Yeah, but I think traditionally it does have that element of, “The harvest is in We come and eat all this delicious food It was a good year.” Vanessa: “We’re thankful for the good harvest.” Dan: “We’re thankful for the good harvest.” So maybe a lot of countries have something like that Vanessa: Yeah All right Let’s go to the next topic The next topic is relaxation I want to know, if I were feeling stressed, what tips would you give me to help me feel relaxed? Dan: If you were feeling stressed? Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Well, I don’t know if this would work for everyone, but I find that playing a sport, or doing something active that requires some concentration, really helps me not be stressed, like if I’m concerned about something I like to go and maybe play some basketball, where your only goal is to put the ball in the hoop, it’s just something very simple and you’re using your body, which is different from how a lot of people live today, which is very stationary and thinking about all kinds of problems and then looking at your phone and reading about more problems Everything’s a big problem it seems like Vanessa: So if you get out and move your body- Dan: So if you get out and you move your body- Vanessa: … in the real world, yeah Dan: Yeah, and it could just be a hike, a hike or something Vanessa: Yeah Dan: But yeah, I like to go and play basketball, or maybe play some hockey, I like to do that too, just shoot the puck around, it’s a lot of fun Vanessa: Some kind of organized activity Dan: Yeah Vanessa: Like shooting hoops, playing hockey- Dan: And it doesn’t even have to be with people, just practicing, doing some kind of routine like that Vanessa: I said something similar, which was just to go for a walk, because that’s not necessarily organized, but sometimes getting out of the place where I’m at, getting out of the house, getting out of wherever I’m feeling stressed, just changing locations, and having the open sky- Dan: Just getting outside Vanessa: … breathing some cool air, or maybe really hot air, depending on what time of the year it is Dan: That’s true, it depends on where you live Outside might be a little too hot, or too cold Vanessa: But it’s just nice to kind of remove yourself, and move, and take a walk Even say, “Okay, I’m going to walk for five minutes, and I’m going to turn around and walk five minutes back.” Sometimes 10 minutes can make a big difference At least it can help me feel more relaxed, or at least more realistic about my stress Dan: Definitely Vanessa: Like if something’s stressing me, maybe I shouldn’t really be stressed about it, so taking a walk helps me to kind of recenter myself Dan: Yes Vanessa: And think, “It’s not a big deal, it’s fine I’ll just work it out.” Dan: Okay And the next thing I would do, is take a shower Vanessa: Oh, okay Dan: Well, I take night time showers, so I don’t know, I just find, for me, when I’m getting clean, and not really… and like it’s kind of that same thing, I’m just like washing my arms, washing my hair, and I find my mind kind of drifting, and it’s nice and warm I don’t know, for me, maybe most people probably would say taking a bath, but I don’t really like to take a bath Vanessa: Taking a shower, I’ve heard too that when you’re taking a shower, sometimes that’s when your best ideas happen, because you have no stimulation, there’s nothing around you, you’re just in the shower, so your mind can really be blank, or you can really kind of decompress in a different way I feel like that too, taking a shower feels good Dan: Yeah, a nice, warm shower And then finally, sleeping Vanessa: Yes Dan: Going to sleep, getting good enough sleep I mean, especially nowadays where everybody has some kind of electronics device where you’re staring at a screen, I think that doesn’t really help your stress levels go down Vanessa: Don’t watch this video at 2:00 AM, if it’s 2:00 AM in the morning- Dan: Yeah, stop watching Vanessa: … turn it off Dan: Got to bed Vanessa: You can watch this in the morning Dan: So yeah, that would be the last thing I would do, too Lower the stress in my life and relax Vanessa: Yeah, I think getting good sleep is a really good tip, that was one of the

ones that I wrote down Is just- Dan: So we share a few Vanessa: … yeah, to get better sleep because sometimes I feel like we want to blame other parts of our lives when we feel stressed, but when you look at the basics, “Have I been eating healthy? Did I drink enough water today?” And the main one, “Did I sleep enough?” Probably not, at least in my case, if I feel stressed or anxious, a lot of that’s because my body can’t handle what’s happening in daily life, because I haven’t been treating myself well Dan: Yep Vanessa: So if I sleep better, whether that’s consistent sleep, or a longer period of sleep, just doing that will help me to feel less stressed during the day Dan: It is situational though, some people need more or less sleep than other people Vanessa: Yeah, so that’s why I said get better sleep Dan: Better sleep, for you Vanessa: Whatever is better for you But one thing I mentioned that you didn’t say, you kind of said, but is to take a tech break And a tech break, we often use this term in our relationship to say, “Today we are not going to… we’re just going to put away our phones, we’re not going to do anything with any electronics today at all.” And it seems like it’s a simple, easy thing to do, but it feels good just to take a little break, especially if that is stressing you out, or if you’re kind of avoiding dealing with problems by looking at your phone I think a lot of use social media, or reading articles- Dan: The phones and tablets are really bad, I think, because they’re so easy- Vanessa: Yeah, to get distracted Dan: … to pick up and just keep using There’s little games, and YouTube, which you may be on right now Vanessa: Yes I find myself- Dan: So keep watching Vanessa: … when I feel stressed, sometimes I don’t don’t want to think about it, so I’ll watch a YouTube vide, and then 30 minutes later, I’ll realize I still feel stressed Dan: 10 YouTube videos later Vanessa: Oh, yeah Or maybe for this one it’s a couple hours later Dan: Hey, I have a bonus tip Vanessa: Oh, bonus tip All right Dan: Yeah, a bonus tip Vanessa: What’s your bonus tip? Dan: I don’t really meditate, but I’ve heard mediation is very great for de-stressing Vanessa: I’m curious if any of you have tried meditation Dan: So I would also recommend meditating, but for me, I actually tried something that was kind of similar, I counted my breaths So this was actually kind of to help me fall asleep, but a lot of times I can’t fall asleep because I’m thinking about the day and feeling stressed Vanessa: You can’t turn your mind off Dan: So basically the idea that I heard was to breathe in for 10 seconds Vanessa: Okay Dan: No, no, no, breathe in for five seconds, then breathe out for 10 seconds Vanessa: Oh Dan: So you’re kind of counting one, two, three, four, five And then, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 And just only thinking about your breaths Vanessa: Okay Dan: You know, it really kind of puts the focus somewhere else, and you’re breathing in deeply, which a lot of us do not breathe in deeply, so it helps you to breathe in more deeply and concentrate on your breathing Vanessa: Yeah, I heard that one of the side effects of using a computer a lot, or a phone a lot, is that when they study people who are looking at a screen, we blink less- Dan: What? Vanessa: … so our eyes are open, they’re getting kind of red and dry, and our breathing increases So we’re kind of like- Dan: They’re just like shallow? Vanessa: Yeah, like… we’re just not focused, like maybe feel a little bit of stress, or we’re just not focused slow and- Dan: On our bodies Vanessa: … relaxed Yeah So those long-term effects, if you’re doing that for several hours a day, without thinking about it, it can affect your body, so breathing, yeah, slowly, can help to kind of help you feel less stressed Dan: There you go Vanessa: Wow Dan: That’s my most practical tip Vanessa: Bonus tip So I’m curious for you, what are some tips you would give to help someone feel less stress in their life? To feel more relaxed? What would you say? All right Let’s go to the next topic The next topic is sports and exercise, so I want to know when you were a kid, what kind of sports or activities did you participate in? Dan: Man, I played a lot of sports Vanessa: Yeah? Dan: Yeah, I think it kind of shows the privilege we grew up in, that we had so many opportunities to try so many different things Vanessa: That was really lucky to be able to do that kind of stuff Dan: So first I started out with baseball, but it was called t-ball, so you actually put the ball on a tee, and you put the ball there, and you just hit it off of it Vanessa: So no one’s throwing the ball Dan: Yeah, I was really little Vanessa: It’s just stationary Dan: And I actually remember when the coaches started pitching to me, I got kind of scared of the ball and I didn’t want to play anymore Vanessa: It’s a big deal Dan: Yeah, I was really little, so I stopped playing that and I started playing soccer Vanessa: Oh, okay Dan: And swimming as well So you call it, probably football in your country, but it’s interesting, many, many children, play soccer in America Vanessa: Yeah, I think it’s easy to get into because you just are running and kicking a ball Dan: Sure Vanessa: There’s no equipment or specialized movements-

Dan: Right Vanessa: … at least for kids Dan: But for some reason, it’s not a popular sport to watch Vanessa: Or for adults, a lot of adults don’t play soccer Dan: Adults don’t play soccer that much, it’s just children Vanessa: Yeah Dan: But I played soccer for probably like six year Vanessa: Oh Dan: And then I never played it again Yeah Vanessa: Just as a kid Dan: Yep So I did that, and I did swimming, and gymnastics for a while I had a phase where I used to like to do a lot of flips- Vanessa: Oh, cool Dan: … so I would jump on the trampoline and do back flips and front flips Vanessa: In a gymnasium that’s like a gymnastics center Dan: Yeah, but also in my backyard We had a trampoline Vanessa: Ah, cool Dan: So I would do that, and then I did figure skating where we were doing spinning and stuff Vanessa: I did figure skating too Dan: Yes And then my brother convinced me to take up a more manly sport, hockey Vanessa: Oh, it’s a shame, you probably would have been really good at figure skating Dan: Yeah, I was all right, but- Vanessa: Yeah I think that’s the kind of thing that- Dan: … it wasn’t my true love- Vanessa: Like hockey? Dan: … that would be hockey Vanessa: Well, I’m glad that you found your true love, hockey Dan: I do love hockey, but I don’t really have the build for it, I’m a little too small, but I still had a lot of fun playing hockey Vanessa: Yeah, and you still play hockey Dan: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Vanessa: You play on a team here in our city Dan: That’s not all of my sports- Vanessa: I feel like as a… you had a lot of organized sports as a kid- Dan: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Vanessa: … and maybe that’s just because you have a older brother, or just something that you wanted to do, but I feel like for me- Dan: I think my dad thought it was good for me too Vanessa: Oh Dan: Which I think is true, it’s good for kids to get into organized sports Vanessa: Sure Sure I feel like for me as a kid I didn’t do team sports as much, like we just played in the backyard a lot Dan: Weren’t you kind of a timid child, too? Vanessa: I wouldn’t say I was timid, but I didn’t like physical contact with other kids, so basketball for me was really physically aggressive Dan: Too rough Vanessa: Yeah, a little too rough, I didn’t really like that Dan: You should try hockey Vanessa: That’s very rough But I loved swimming, so I think that swimming was probably the main sport of my childhood, and through high school every summer my sister and I were on a swim team, and that meant that every day, twice a day, we would go to swim practice, and I- Dan: Vanessa’s a really good swimmer, she can kick my butt Vanessa: Not literally, that is a figurative expression That means I can swim better than Dan, which is true Dan: It’s true Vanessa: But it just means that I know the technique, and if Dan or you- Dan: I’m out there like struggling Vanessa: … if you know the right technique, you can have a lot of endurance because you’re not wasting your energy, so I feel like I learned the right technique, so I can swim longer because I know the right technique because I practiced it a lot So we would always swim, and then we’d have swim competitions, which are called swim meets, and that was a fun part of my childhood growing, was swimming, kind of this… it’s kind of a team thing, but not really You have a team, but you’re still individual Dan: So like combined scores, is that how it works? Vanessa: Well, you would be… you’re part of the community team, like your community, your neighborhood is the team, but then each person has an individual score Dan: Score Vanessa: So it’s kid of a team, kid of individual, and I liked that And it was not physically aggressive Dan: That would make me so nervous Vanessa: Yeah Dan: These individual sports, I feel the pressure way too much If I were swimming and racing, I’d be so scared But when I play a sport like basketball, you’re on a team, and so you’re kind of depending on each other more, it’s not all up to you Vanessa: Yeah Dan: Although, if you make a big mistake, then everybody’s looking at you Vanessa: Yeah Dan: That’s no fun Vanessa: Yeah, I feel like I like having a team, but at the same time, I like having kind of your own thing going on, you can kind of be more individualistic Dan: Yeah Vanessa: So I’m curious for you, growing up did you play organized sports like Dan? I also did some volleyball in high school, those types of things, kind of organized sports But did you play organized sports like that, or did you just play with your friends in the neighborhood, like I did growing up with my friends in the neighborhood? What kind of activities, or exercise type things did you do when you were a child? All right, let’s go to the next topic The next topic is electronics, this is another hypothetical, maybe a dream type question, but I want to know if you could upgrade any electronics in your life for no price, it’s free, what would you like to upgrade in your life? Dan: Interesting Yeah, I feel like I’m pretty satisfied with our electronic status Vanessa: Oh, okay Dan: Electronics status Yeah, because you know me I already upgrade my electronics quite freely Vanessa: Dan likes electronics Dan: I do, especially like speakers and music I love music, so I buy a lot of headphones, and a lot speakers, and stuff like this And every time I’m about to buy something like that she looks at me like, “Why are you buying another thing like this?” I haven’t bought too much- Vanessa: Yeah, it’s not too much Dan: … but I just tend to browse, and sometimes I look at these humongous speakers that would

fill an opera room, or something, and I’m like, “These would be awesome to have.” Vanessa: And then I need to remind Dan that we don’t live in a house the size of a football field, like his dream Dan: But in my dream house- Vanessa: Someday when we have that dream house, right? Dan: … it will have those speakers, yes Vanessa: What would you like to upgrade if you could do it for no price? Dan: Yeah, so right now it would be a laptop Vanessa: Oh, yeah, your laptop just broke Dan: Yeah, so our son, Theo, decided to step on my laptop And it still actually works pretty well, but it snapped in half, so somehow it’s still working, but it’s old anyways Vanessa: Yeah, it’s his fault, but you know, you shouldn’t have left it on the floor Dan: Yeah, so I’ll probably update my laptop soon, which is a very doable thing nowadays Vanessa: Okay Yeah, you could get a laptop that isn’t broken in half Dan: Yeah, and the second thing is actually something we’ve never had before, which would be a security system Vanessa: Oh Dan: It sounds like you would only want this in a neighborhood where you would- Vanessa: You feel kind of dangerous Yeah Dan: … you feel like you’re in danger But I still feel like it would just kind of add comfort to me Vanessa: Okay Dan: We’ve always lived in apartments where they had a gate, or a front door, where- Vanessa: You have other people around you Dan: … and you have other people around you, you’re not like just such a solo target Because in America, you’re just living in a house in neighborhood, and it’s like standalone, so I’d like to get some cameras, and something I could check on the house and make sure everything’s okay And just for peace of mind mostly Vanessa: Okay Yeah, I feel like our neighborhood’s not dangerous at all Dan: It’s very safe, yeah Vanessa: But even if you leave to go away for a week, and you want to be able to see outside the house, that could be helpful, yeah Dan: Yeah, and in modern times there’s a lot of really good security systems out there Vanessa: Yeah, that could be helpful I feel like, for me, my answer to this is- Dan: This shows how much Vanessa cares about electronics Vanessa: I had to think about this for a long time, because I don’t really care about electronics that much- Dan: I always choose the electronics, I bought her computer I actually built her computer Vanessa: Yeah, Dan built the computer that we use for editing and for doing work, but I feel like for me something electronic that I would like to upgrade is kind of practical, our car that we have, you use a key to open it, and that’s fine Dan: What? You use a key? Vanessa: But it would be really great to have a beeper button, so this is pretty typical- Dan: This is funny because everybody in America has this, except for us Vanessa: Yeah, I think if your car is newer than 2000, so if it’s within the last 20 years, you probably have a beeper that opens the car door Some really new cars have a beeper that turns on the car, I don’t need that, I just would like a beeper that can open the door, because we have a two year old and soon we will have another child, and opening the car on one side, going to the other, putting him in the car, coming back, unlocking it, it seems so- Dan: Yeah, we never realized how much we’d appreciate this Vanessa: Yeah, I would really appreciate this small convenience Dan: I mean, our car should have this, but we bought it used, and the person who sold us the car lost those keys Vanessa: Yeah, they only had the regular key Dan: Yeah Vanessa: So do you think that it’s possible, because that existed before, could we do this? Dan: Yes, it’s very easy Vanessa: Oh, really? Dan: Yeah, we have to go to the dealership and ask them, and they have to calibrate it Vanessa: And we have to just buy more keys? My dream is going to come true Dan: We could make this happen Vanessa: Okay Dan: But I think at the time when I asked the dealership about that, we had just bought the car, and it was pretty expensive, and we didn’t really have that much money, and I was like, “We can’t afford to get the keys too.” Vanessa: Sure, because we decided to pay for the car outright Dan: Right But it’s definitely doable, this very simple fix in your life Vanessa: Wow, dreams come true right here on YouTube, thank you Well, I’m curious for you, if you could upgrade, or if you could have some electronics completely for free with no price added, what would you like to upgrade in your life? I’m curious Let us know All right Let’s go to the last topic Our final topic is money I want to know, what are three purchases that you regret? Three things that were not worth it Dan: That I regret Not three things I love? Vanessa: No, what were three purchases that after you bought it you said, “Ah, I shouldn’t have bought this.” Dan: Oh, okay, so regretful purchases Vanessa: Mm-hmm (affirmative) Dan: Well, the first one I can think of kind of checks all of the boxes as something you regret Because in the first place, you didn’t want me to buy this Vanessa: Because it was- Dan: Expensive Vanessa: … headphones We were talking about music devices Dan: We were talking about it Yes I already had headphones that I listen to all the time- Vanessa: That he loves Dan: … so I was already getting the judgment feelings from Vanessa, but I thought maybe I wanted something with even better sound, maybe a different kind of sound I was looking for the new sound Vanessa: But what happened?

Dan: We didn’t have very much money at this time either, so- Vanessa: Ah, that was another layer Dan: … I bought these over $100 headphones, and we took them home, and they started hurting my ears- Vanessa: Because they were kind of- Dan: … they were just painful Vanessa: … they were like noise canceling headphones? Dan: No, it’s like they’re on ear, they just, they weren’t really build to listen to as long as I do Vanessa: Okay Dan: So they hurt my ears, and I was like, “Oh, no They’re hurting my ears, this is really bad.” Vanessa: “I can’t tell Vanessa.” Dan: “I can’t.” Yeah But then also, we bought them in South Korea, and the place that I bought them had a no return policy, so I couldn’t return them Vanessa: And then what happened? Dan: And then I brought them home, and I sat them down, and our cat walked up to them and bit the cord and just broke them Vanessa: Yes, within five minutes Dan: Within five minutes No, like five seconds The second I sat the headphones down, the cat bit them Vanessa: And it was the kind of cord that you can’t just take out and replace it, you have to do some… you have to send it into the company and pay a lot to get it fixed Dan: Well, I didn’t know how to fix it I think my dad actually fixed it later and he used them Vanessa: Oh, that’s good Dan: So there you go, it actually worked out in the end Vanessa: Wow But yeah, there was a couple layers of regret Dan: Yeah, there was a lot of layers of regret, and then the cat bit the cord anyway Vanessa: Ah, and that’s something that we should have known We should have put them up somewhere, you could have put them somewhere else, but it just kind of was icing on the cake Dan: Yeah Vanessa: Which means, it was one more thing Dan: Now I can’t even use them Because I was like hoping, “Oh, some day maybe they’ll be more comfortable Maybe they’ll just feel better, I’ll get used to them.” Vanessa: But then you can’t even use them because our cat bit the cord Dan: Yep Vanessa: Well, that’s a regretful purchase Dan: There you go, there’s a whole story behind that Vanessa: Yeah, can I say one of mine first? Dan: Go ahead Yes Vanessa: Okay One of mine is much smaller, but it is anytime that I buy tea at Starbucks, always a bad decision Dan: Sorry, Starbucks Vanessa: Yeah, but I don’t like coffee, and if I go to Starbucks that’s the only drink that I can drink, because they have a lot of coffee stuff, a lot of sweet stuff, but one tea bag at Starbucks, you’re just buying a tea bag with hot water, they’re not making anything- Dan: Fancy Vanessa: … it’s not a specialized drink It’s just hot water and a tea bag, and it’s like $2.50, or something Like $2.50 just for a bag of tea And you can buy a whole box of tea for the same price Dan: By the way, this is the difference between Vanessa and I, is that I would never sweat a purchase like that Vanessa: Well for me it’s the taste It’s not necessarily the price, the price is high for tea, but the taste is never worth it It’s just mediocre tea, it’s not even that great Dan: I’d still never regret it Vanessa: Yeah, well- Dan: I don’t regret cheap purchases, I never think about it Vanessa: I feel like for me it’s just annoying because I want to have a cool drink if I’m going to a coffee shop, but then it’s just a tea bag in water It’s not even loose leaf tea Anyway, I’m a tea snob, so let’s go to yours Dan: That’s true All right, the next in my list could be actually a category in and of itself, but the most recent occurrence was when we went to a place on our beach vacation called The Turtle Museum Vanessa: Oh Dan: And it sounded all fancy, but it was probably $15 bucks a person to get in Vanessa: Yeah, it was like a turtle rehabilitation center Dan: Yeah, but there was just one room with some pictures on the wall, and then we thought we were going to see turtles up close and personal, but they were just in big swimming pools and you could barely see them Vanessa: Were they breathing out of their butts? Dan: They probably were at the time Vanessa: No, they’re sea turtles Dan: You’re right, they weren’t breathing out of their butts And so I was just disappointed with the whole experience and didn’t think it was worth it Although, that was a little different because I felt like I was donating because they rescue turtles, but there are a lot of places that are like this, like a museum, or some kind of show that maybe you pay a up front cost, and then the show or the museum is just not very good, or boring Vanessa: Yeah, like have you ever traveled somewhere and you paid to enter a museum, or you paid to enter some building and it just wasn’t worth it I feel like that’s happened a lot, and that’s just the most recent for us, is that, “Okay, I feel okay because I donated some money to that turtle rehabilitation center.” But we didn’t really get to see turtles in the way that we wanted to Dan: I wanted to touch a turtle Vanessa: Oh, but they are in a hospital, they’re being rehabilitated Dan: That’s true, it was a turtle hospital Vanessa: Yeah Do you have any other- Dan: But it sounded way cooler- Vanessa: Oh, yeah Yeah, it did sound cool “Go to the turtle center and see the turtles.” Dan: Yeah, my last thing is just a small thing I bought some t-shirts online, and it’s kind of iffy to buy clothes online, but I always felt like I like the picture that was on them, but then the quality of the shirt wasn’t very good or- Vanessa: Especially when it’s online, you can’t feel it Dan: … it didn’t fit that well Yeah, not a great idea I’ve regretted some of those purchases Vanessa: Another thing that I feel like I’ve bought that wasn’t worth it, this is a general

category, but it’s some toys for our, now he’s two year old, but throughout his short life, some toys that I bought for him that I thought he’d like, because he played with at a friend’s house, or I just thought it would be cool, but he didn’t really like it For example, there’s this thing that was it’s like a bead maze, and I remember liking this as a kid, which is why I got it- Dan: I thought he played with that Vanessa: Not really, he kind of wanted to just pull the beads off, but he couldn’t play with But I remember I played with it as a kid, and I found it at a second hand store It was like $10, it wasn’t that much, but I thought he’d play with it I was like, “This is it He’s going to play with this for so long, it’s going to be great.” And he just never really played with it So I feel like- Dan: This will probably be an ongoing problem Vanessa: Yeah So now I- Dan: Now that we have kids Vanessa: I’ve tried to kind of back up and think, “Okay, he likes to play with these three things If other people want to give him presents, and give him other toys, that’s fine, but I’m not really going to invest in more toys because he kind of likes the same things all the time.” Dan: Legos, legos, legos Vanessa: Legos, legos, legos Sometimes Play-Doh, sometimes the sandbox Dan: But mostly legos Vanessa: But generally the same couple toys again, and again, and again So I’m curious for you, what are some purchases that you’ve made that weren’t worth it, that you regretted? This video is free on YouTube, so this is not a purchase I hope that you have not regretted spending your time, though, with us Dan: Yeah, I know what you wouldn’t regret, purchasing the Fearless Fluency Club Vanessa: Oh Well- Dan: There’s a pitch for you Vanessa: This is our monthly English course where we teach about a different topic every month, and you learn the vocabulary, phrasal verbs, pronunciation We have a private Facebook group where a lot of members meet together and talk together to practice speaking English And once a month I have a group Google hangout and we talk together Just a great way to expand your English and be able to learn more So if you enjoyed our conversation today- Dan: Yeah, and one might say, “Become fluent.” Vanessa: Yes, I hope so, become more confident Well, thank you so much for joining me today Dan: You’re welcome We’re done? Vanessa: Wow, this was a lot Dan: Can you believe it? Did you make it all the way though? Vanessa: If you made it this far, congratulations Pat yourself on the back We asked a lot of questions today, so I’m going to put those in the description below, so that you can go to each topic if you want to go back and watch a certain topic, or if you saw some vocabulary appear that you’d like to review and practice, you can always go back and review what we talked about If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and make sure that you write a comment and answer some of these questions yourself, use English Dan: Yes Vanessa: Thank you so much for joining me, Dan Dan: You’re welcome It was very enjoyable Vanessa: Yes, I appreciate your time Dan: It was a journey Vanessa: Your energy Oh, it was a journey Yes, we went through a lot of different topics today Thank you so much as well for learning English with me and with Dan today, I’ll see you next Friday for a new lesson here on my YouTube channel Bye Dan: Bye Vanessa: The next step is to download my free ebook, Five Steps to Becoming A Confident English Speaker You’ll learn what you need to do to speak confidently and fluently Don’t forget to subscribe to my YouTube channel for more free lessons Thanks so much Bye