Welches Motorrad soll ich kaufen? Motorradberatung und Vergleich Segmente 1/20

Welcome to 1000PS! Welcome to our series how to ride a motorcycle for beginners! In this episode we’re going to find out which motorcycle suits you Which bike should you buy What does the choice of the right bike have to do with proper riding? In my opinion a lot because with the wrong bike even a seasoned rider can’t perform some things properly Which criteria influences the choice of bike? Of course there are the physiological aspects, rider’s weight and height But also it’s the size of the ego. What do you compensate? I ride completely different bikes than you do probably So in this video we are talking to a lot of riders to give you an idea which bike category suits you and grants you a safe and fun ride Universal solution naked bike? There is something called a “typical” motorcycle What does a bike need? It needs 2 wheels, an engine and a handlebar And this describes naked bikes the most or they are the purest interpretation of this In addition to this they are light, don’t sport any bulky superstructures like big windshields and they have an enormous use range I can use them for many things Vauli: What I recommend for beginners is a naked bike You sit upright and have a good stand. Usually, if the saddle height isn’t too much But the good footing is something essential. Riders with high mileage like us often forget this – I personally don’t mind if I can only touch the ground with a toe, so I can ride the big adventure bikes. But for somebody who’s just started this is very important And with smaller, lower bikes this is a given and therefore I believe for smaller folks many bikes unfortunately are out of reach You just cannot develop enough security on a tall bike However supersports, apart from having a high saddle, with their prone riding position aren’t any man’s taste either. You need to be very active to ride it safely because for one the handle bar is very low and above the wheel Just a small danger and some folks might not react the right way Thus the naked bike has its right as an all purpose bike Admittedly I recommended a friend a naked bike as his first go yet he bought a Fireblade He was very happy with it however He is somebody who naturally got the hang of it I’m not going to dictate anybody to buy a naked bike but I think the footing and seating should fit well Mex: I think a beginners bike must be light, easy to approach and not overtaxing I started with Supermoto. Supermoto is still an extremely popular category for young riders and I find it very smooth because it has a bicycle feeling, you can play around with it. It has an easy handling, wide handlebar and low weight This is a category which I always can recommend without regret as long as you can handle the saddle height as these bikes tend to be higher Else I’d say a Yamaha MT-07, an easy going naked bike without frills or a Honda CB650 which is also a great basis for beginners Well, as I said it needs to be light, approachable and easy to handle Of course you can start with a supersport with fully activated electronic package But the question is how sensible is it and how much learning effect will you get And as a beginner you surely don’t want to throw that kind of money on the table So I stay with nakeds and supermoto which I find perfect for the job Gregor: I would sign the statement that naked bikes are leiwand and make great sense for a lot of people because they are so versatile I can say I have a naked bike on which I can sit upright if I want, for security and comfort but as soon as I get to some twisties I can also go into assault mode That’s the great thing about naked bikes. You can ride in so many ways

Now I wouldn’t call it universal remedy as it can do almost everything but excels at none If you want to get deeper into a style of riding then a naked bike soon reaches its limits Biggest influence on the feelgood factor? Mex: Definitely the ergonomics! No matter the engine or the weight, to me as a tall guy the ergonomics have to fit Which means the width of the handle bar, the knee angle and the seating – the so called seat triangle – must add up and be harmonic And as you mentioned, in the first 3 seconds sitting on the bike there is the aha moment – it either fits or it doesn’t Vauli: The geometry has to be right. The classic triangle saddle, handlebar and foot peg must add up. Although it is very different in each category But there is a certain feelgood triangle for anybody Supersports, of course you are prone on them, but there are some which made me think this is almost to high. Funny enough, I never have problems with the knee angle because I have short legs. Some folks however find it to tight, the distance between saddle and foot peg is to short Otherwise every category is different of course But I always get an immediate good feeling on certain bikes And then there are others where even the slightest angle of a handle bar can set me off Adaptability is a trait that let’s you handle these issues Then you can talk about engine response and so on, but this you will discover while riding What importance does power output have? Martin: Power doesn’t have the same priority as rideability Of course you always want to have power but I rarely ever had somebody say “I don’t want the bike, it’s way to underpowered.” Nowadays the bigger bikes have so much power that it actually falls through as criteria It’s much more about how the bike rides and what feedback I get from it If that works then the bike is very popular and respected amongst the riders What makes a good chassis? Whenever the bike feels easy and does what you imagine it to do When it’s neutral in the corner and when the throttle response is smooth This is often a critique and we must fix this quite often, on the dyno for Example, a bad throttle response. You surely can confirm this, a bike which has an odd response is very exhausting to ride and keep the line. It needs a lot of focus These are the main points. In my opinion it’s rideability, the feedback of the chassis and the engine How much do tyres influence the handling of motorcycles? Raphael: Well, tyres are the best method to change the handling The easiest and best way to do. There are tyres that are focussing on stability and some which focus on agility If I keep to our range, a RoadAttack 3 for Example turns an Adventure almost into a Supermoto A TrailAttack 3 on the other hand is more stable and predictable So yeah, tyres are the method of choice to tune the rideability There are some brands who are more stable, who have a lot of high speed stability And other brands focus on country roads and fun in corners Continental is more on the handling side, we’d like to grant cornering fun But yeah, the tyre can influence a lot Which engine type is the best for beginners? Varahannes: 4 cylinders absolutely! A 4 cylinder engine is very smooth to handle in low revs Even when for example in a corner a beginner lacks the minute motor activity for the throttle and makes small movements a 4 cylinder engines reacts much less aggressive than a twin or single

It’s the same with engine braking. If there is a small disturbance in the throttle – a 4 cylinder allows much tighter turns in 3rd or 4th gear. It just purrs and a half a mm movement won’t bother at all With a twin you feel it instantly – faster, slower, faster – and that makes it very hectic Running smoothness is just better with a 4 cylinder and therefore is recommended for beginners at any age Because when the bike exceeds 15-18 kph it runs smooth even with 50 kg more weight If it’s about a smooth and comfortable engine run then a synchronous running one is the better choice This means a regular firing order with the same gap in between Like a 4 cylinder for Example. It surely is the best example It has a stroke at every half crankshaft rotation. This is very homogenous You can ride at very low revs because the firing order is quasi symmetric This makes a very comfortable ride If you want a bike with character – maybe a bit deeper in sound and not as smooth running but something a bit more exotic – than a V2 should be considered V2’s have an unregular firing order – or asymmetric firing orders – and this makes the engine run a bit uneven but also more characterful You’ll get torque easier in low revs with a V2 but it also has the disadvantage that low revs are quite difficult because of the uneven running Everything below 3000 or 2500 rpm will most likely kick into the chain and transmission It needs a certain speed to run homogenous Which a 4 cylinder engine with symetric firing order doesn’t need Is buying a non ABS motorcycle still advisable today? Difficult to say because especially the light motorcycles, the class up to 125 cc, are mostly without ABS And there are a ton of old bikes. So it will take a while until the market is satisfied with ABS motorcycles You can only suggest to somebody without ABS to stay calm It’s not impossible, we have been riding decades without It just requires a lot more practice because a emergency braking needs enough exercise to get it into muscle memory. If it’s automated you can use it in a shock moment. If you do it for the very first time it will always go bad The shock, the missing feel and knowledge for the limit will make sure of it So you have to train yourself not to squeeze the brakes like this – which is exactly what happens in shock This means repeat, repeat, repeat Alexander: I would’nt pass on it if I had the choice There are 2 things I wouldn’t want to miss: heated grips and ABS What is the disadvantage of old ABS compared to newer systems? Hans-Albert: The old system only can do the rudimentary functions The development jumped 30 years now. And there are functions beyond preventing the wheel from blocking, which was very coarse and chittery in the past Today we have a very high level with a lot of software and sensors We have pressure transducers and a sensor box which can detect stoppies much better In the past we had to measure wheel speed and guess The pitch sensor however can precisely say the tail is 5 degrees up in the air, we have to release the front brake What is the advantage of an ABS with gyrosensors? In the beginning we had to measure the wheel speeds – the wheel coulld be in the air now Say, if the back wheel continues to spin freely and the front is slowing down, than it has to be in the air

Or the other way round, if I brake in the back, release the pressure and it blocks then it should be in the air. These were the interpretations. But I could manipulate this with the clutch. So we tried to indirectly detect it via the wheel spins The next step were pressure transducers which granted us a better look into the braking levels The step beyond that is a 6D sensor box in our RR It can even measure the angle of dip of the fork or alternatively if the tail lifts the angle of the entire bike towards gravitation What makes a “good” suspension? The problem is that everbody has different standard of a good suspension This is the difficult part which I need to solve in a personal conversation, what is the riders priority? There are riders who consider a suspension good when it filters out all the distubrnaces in the ground Meaning it responds smoothly and is soft, you won’t feel any hits Priority on comfort so to say And there are riders that state: “I want to feel everything that’s going on underneath I want feedback from the rear and front.” This is a different category and I can’t give him the same suspension as the other rider. If I tune the suspension for one rider who finds it perfect, it doesn’t mean that it suits the other rider when he prioritises completely different things Is an adjustable suspension essential? I’d say you definitely profit much more from a suspension that is adjustable in many ways than from a suspension who only has a few options – which of course doesn’t mean these don’t work. If the manufacturer get’s it right, the wishes of the customer or his own vision, then a suspension without much adjustability can also work very well. It’s not that it is deemed bad generally What are the traits of the traditional school bike? Well, these are bike that are utmost average in a positive way This means they are suitable for many uses The motorcycle should be light, it should be low, not too high, to grant a good footing, and it should move easily. Simply said handy bikes How important is the seating height? The seating height is not just for beginners but for everybody a very elementary thing. The bike has to suit me There are riders who are just 150 or 155 cm tall – we have an instructor who is 156 and she rides very well. And there are some that are 185 cm. Not every bike suits every rider Which is more challenging? Great height or much weight? Juliane: If I had to decide between a tall bike and a heavy bike, I’d probably take the heavy bike if it’s low, because this is much easier to handle for me than a tall bike. This of course depends what I consider heavy The mixture tall and bike is really the worst case. But for example I toured through Alaska for a week on a F 800 GS Adventure This of course isn’t a lightweight bike and it is also tall for my height – I’m 169 cm – but you can manage this Of course for ranking the bike it is much more difficult than a low bike. An Indian Scout for example is much heavier but so low that this doesn’t create any problems The perfect handlebar? I wouldn’t say perfect but in my opinion wide and straight handlebars are more pleasant since you can do more with less effort You can steer much softer – or rather you have more feeling when you pull on a wide handlebar, there is much more happening and it lets you know what is happening in an action more intensely And I think cranked and small handles as on a supersport it’s the case that you work much more with your bodyweight and less with the handles For a beginning a wide seating position and handlebar is much more pleasant

Why have adventure bikes become so popular in the last few years? Mike: Most manufactueres have well developed models And if I look at my guests, the riders I have the most interaction with, they are folks that ride with sozia and luggage These are bikes that just handle this very well with their chassis, suspensions and engines They are easy to adjust to different loads – with bags or without, with or without passenger They have enough power and wind shielding For folks who like to ride long tours over many days, with passenger and luggage these bikes offer the most complete package Why do you feel comfy on a adventure bike? I don’t want to count out any motorcycle type principally But my personal experience is just that I have a better link to some Supersports f.e. I have only ridden once And of course the odd riding position – you sit quite prone, that’s not very natural – is much more unknown to me which doesn’t boost my safety and comfort feeling than f.e. an enduro or an adventure bike Because the upright riding positon is well known to me and it delivers a feeling of “everything is allright, I have control” Gain experieince without traction control? A current liter bike without TCS without any experience, especially on the track or in rain – you will get into rain occasionally on roads – I would definitely not recommend that I would do this in the realm of motocross – in which you have a much more sensitive or much lesser traction loss shock, because you are permanently in a state of sliding – to gain a feel for it. Because the loss of traction on a superbike with a sport tyre is instant And a beginner can only control this with a ton of luck Are 600 cc supersports still justified? I notice, even today, if I ride a bike with less power on the track it feels so relaxed and I just can concentrate on so many other things I can hone my line, get closer to the apex and the curb The same on conrer exit. I just have much more time This time I lack on a liter bike and most notably at the beginning I’m often extremely flashed by the power output. 200 hp at the rear tyre, the person not used to this will need to fight to stay in the saddle when he full acceleratesin 2nd or 3rd Which electronic assistants do I need on my bike? There are a lot which are just marketing, some are foofaraw and some are essential In my opinion a bike with 50 hp shouldn’t need a TCS. The traction control of a bike with low to medium power should sit in your head and right hand But stuff that happens by surprise, as in braking, the ABS, it’s not expendable Very important! Folks who think they need very powerful bikes – I mentioned before I’m here with the Super Duke. Here I’m sometimes really glad to have different riding modes and the possibilty to change power output on slippery and wet roads This is very helpful to make your ride safer In relation to the bike: 50 hp bike, ABS yes, TCS no Powerful bikes – provided these systems work flawless – as much as possible How long should you test ride before buying? Erich: Decisive is how much the person rides on a yearly average The more kilometers he rides, the faster he can cooperate with the bike since he hasn’t attune to the techniques. It’s basically the same, braking, switching gears, it all is automated Whereas a rider who only does 1000 km a year needs a lot longer to be attuned My experience is that 1 day is a good measure

Christian: INteresting question. We could answer technically and say if I’m a good rider and know how it’s done and I have serious interest, then 2 hours and 100 km in good traffic conditions are enough. If I manage to take in some small roads, country roads, maybe a highway section full throttle then I get a spontaneous comprehensive feeling of what the bike can do and how it fits me Are bikes often bought wrongly because of peer pressure? I would definitely say yes, this is a valid assessment People tend to too much engine displacement and weight Of course these 2 have advantages, no doubt Weight dampens pottholes and disturbances Displacement covers other weaknesses. That’s why it’s so compelling But in my opinion when you own a bike and ride it for a while then I know when to switch gears to overtake and so on We all can do that, it’s just a matter of exercising. And if I always ride the same bike then I don’t need displacement and weight because I know my bike and what I need to do. But for low mileage riders the combo is very seductive Where do riders overestimate themselves while shopping bikes? A lot of folks buy bikes which are to big for them If I’d sit on an Adventure it wouldn’t be an optimal size. It is just too big It will fall over even if I only have small problem I’m a bit more experienced so I can handle it but as soon as guest sits on a bike he isn’t tall enough for I know he overestimates himself. He chooses the path of the general market, not his own individual one and I regret that But it’s not my job to persuade him out of it I try to put him on a smaller bike so he has a comparitive choice Sometimes it works, sometimes not For the series “How to ride a bike” I did 36 interviews – 20 episodes alltogether I gained the knowledge that the choice of the right bike is much attributed to the type of rider, but not only how you feel and think – of course it’s a very emotional topic – but also your physiological status It emerged that – how shall we put it – weaker and smaller persons have the most problems with weight, especially in combination with a high saddle When they are athletic guys or girls, even beginners, then a high weight is not such an issue Then if you have problems with minute motoric actions, if that is the challenge, while clutching and accelerating, than you should look into 4 cylinder bikes because the response and dosing is much smoother And these are the main differences concerning problems – where is the biggest challenge, weight, height or fine motor skills ? – and this is a main factor in motorcycle choice, if we hide the emotional factor (This is purely Austria related, skip to 29:47) Which bikes do you recommend your friends and family? I always recommend bikes with around 80 hp. I find below 100 hp more than enough

A 150 or 200 hp rocket in my opinion – like I said that one friend managed it easily, his Fireblade had 175 hp. But I don’t recommend it because I think a bike in the lower mid-range with about 80 hp is a lot of fun as well Motorcycles with A2 conforming 48 hp are also fun in reality or can make fun There is rarely a bike where I can’t adjust to the power output to have some fun Of course it’s always nice to have more power. But I myself am somebody who tells anybody, no matter the character – because anybody could try to outgrow himself and think “cool, what happens if I rip the throttle?!” and that’s a dead man then Therefore I choose the safe path and tell them “stay below 100 hp, that’s enough” Zonko: The most important thing is to ask yourself what you want to do with the bike. What should the bike can do? Where do I want to use it? And foremost, how much joy shall it bring to me? Because for one thing it needs to fulfil the technical requirements, but at the same time it needs to fill the owner with pride It really needs to give you joy every time you see it What makes a bike “leiwand” (awesome)? I find it great when the bikes fits what I do with it It makes riding much easier and “leiwander”. But per se I find every motorcycle awesome Wether it’s a classic bike, a modern one, a cruiser, adventure bike or a supersport – no matter what, as long as it has 2 wheels and an engine it’s cool Can we control our bikes ourselves and enjoy freedom for a long time to come? Felix: From BMW’s perspective absolutely We see a very bright future for the motorcycle Due to the parallel development – on one hand autonomous driving, on the other individual motorcycle mobility – we can see that it can cooperate It definitely can only be a co-existence. We will have mixed traffic for decades I can’t imagine that we will have fully autonomous traffic one day, that it’s 100 % automated As long as there is mixed traffic we have the requirement that autonomous vehicles can co-exist with individual ones in a space These are the current developments. At this moment I can’t see a contradiction This series “How to ride a motorcycle” consists of 20 episodes This is episode 1. There is a link to our playlist down below, where, as soon as all episodes are uploaded, you can watch the entire series I’m very keen to see what input for a motorcycle choice you have to offer Is it all clear already which bike you buy or did you have some aha moments? Please post your aha moments. Where were you surprised positively or negatively? And maybe give some inspiration for fellow riders Thank you for participating, thank you for watching. See you in the next episode of “How to ride a motorcycle”. Bye!