We Need To Talk: Conversations About Racism For A More Resilient Las Vegas

[MUSIC] » THANK YOU FOR JOINING US I AM CLAYTEE WHITE WE ARE HOSTING THE WE NEED TO TALK SERIES TO FOSTER OPEN DIALOGUE AND BEGIN FORMULATING SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS SYSTEMIC RACISM AND WHITE SUPREMACY THESE MUCH-NEEDED DISCUSSIONS WERE THE BRAINCHILD OF SU KIM CHUNG, PH.D., HEAD OF PUBLIC SERVICES IN UNLV’S SPECIAL COLLECTIONS & ARCHIVES, AND ARE SPONSORED BY THE UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES AND THE GREENSPUN COLLEGE OF URBAN AFFAIRS THESE PANEL DISCUSSIONS WILL PROVIDE HISTORICAL CONTEXT DATING BACK TO 1619, WHILE ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT ARE CHALLENGING US IN THE PRESENT DAY EACH CONVERSATION BRINGS TOGETHER UNLV RESEARCHERS AND COMMUNITY EXPERTS WE WILL FORMULATE SOLUTIONS FOR THE LONG-TERM WORK WE MUST DO TO HEAL OUR COUNTRY AND MOVE US FORWARD THIS WILL TAKE A COMMITMENT FROM ALL OF US THESE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE DIFFICULT, BUT WE MUST DO THIS WORK TRULY, WE NEED TO TALK TONIGHT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND DEFINING CONCEPTS LIKE WHITE PRIVILEGE, SYSTEMIC RACISM, INSTITUTIONIAL RACISM AND THOSE KINDS OF CONCEPTS MY PANELISTS ARE BRENDA WILLIAMS, AB WILKINSON AND KEVIN WRIGHT LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT EACH OF THESE PEOPLE BEFORE WE GET STARTED AB WILKINSON IS ASSISTANT PROFESSOR HERE IN THE HISTORY DEPARTMENT AT UNLV HE TEACHES CLASSES IN COLONIAL NORTH AMERICA, THE U.S REVOLUTIONARY ERA, AND EARLY U.S. HISTORY HE ALSO HAS RESEARCH AND TEACHING INTERESTS IN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY, NATETY AMERICAN HISTORY, ETHNIC STUDIES IN THE U.S AND U.S. SOUTH HE HAS A PH.D. FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BERKELEY AND HIS NEW BOOK THAT IS HOT OFF THE PRESS, I THINK IT IS BEING RELEASED RIGHT NOW, IT IS CALLED, “BLOW”ING THE LINES OF RACE AND FREEDOM: MEL LAT TOE AND MIXED BLOODS IN ENGLISH COLONIAL AMERICA KEVIN WRIGHT CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF STUDENT DIVERSITY IN THE OFFICE OF STUDENT DIVERSITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE THAT IS OLD INFORMATION KEVIN JUST GOT A PROMOTION, AND BECAUSE I AM SO BEHIND ON THE

TIMES I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT HIS NEW TITLE IS, BUT HE IS CREATING POSITIVE INSTITUTIONAL AND SYSTEMIC CHANGES WITH THE STUDENTS HERE ON UNLV’S CAMPUS HE IS PURSUING A DOCTOR AT OF EDUCATION AND ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP AT NORTH CENTRAL UNIVERSITY I SAVED THE LAST PERSON BRENDA WILLIAMS LAST FOR A REASON BRENDA IS A PERSON FROM OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE I KNOW HER VERY, VERY WELL SHE GREW UP IN LAS VEGAS, HER CAME FROM ARKANSAS BRENDA IS THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO SERVE AS AN INTERIM CITY COUNSEL PERSON FOR THE CITY OF LAS VEGAS, WARD 5 SHE HAS SERVED ON THE STAYS PLANNING COMMISSION SHE WAS THE CO COORDINATOR FOR ELECTION OF SENATOR RICHARD BRIAN SHE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AFTER HIS ELECTION SHE SERVED WITH HIM FOR 12 YEARS AS HIS CONSTITUENT SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE HER OTHER POSITIONS WERE IN THE FIELD OF BANKING, DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE, SHE IS THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF WEST SIDE SCHOOL ALUMNI FOUNDATION WHERE THEY WROTE A BOOK BRENDA AUTHORED WEST SIDE SCHOOL STORIES, OUR SCHOOL, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR TIME 1923 TO 1967 OF ALL OF HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THE ONE I LOVE BEST AT ONE TIME SHE OWNED A HAT SHOP CAN YOU IMAGINE? WE HAVE AN ENTREPRENEUR, EDUCATORS AND WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO TALK ON THE TOPIC OF THE EVENLY IT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT TERMS LIKE SYSTEMIC RACISM THE AVERAGE PERSON HADN’T HEARD THAT TERM THAT’S WHY WE WANTED THAT STORIES I WAS A BIT SURPRISED WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, MY ACADEMIC FRIENDS ON THIS CAMPUS AND OTHERS HAD NO IDEA WHAT SYSTEMIC RACISM, INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, WHAT THOSE TERMS REALLY MEANT SO WE NEED TO TALK TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THIS FIRST QUESTION I WANT TO SORT OF COMPLICATE THIS A LITTLE BIT, TALKING ABOUT RACISM WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY FIRST, AND I WANT TO — BRENDA, I WANT YOU TO USE A FEW LIFE EXAMPLES I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS TERM WHITE SUPREMACY HAS BECOME SOMETHING TO KIND OF BE PROUD OF? I AM SAYING IT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN CENTRAL PARK, WE CAN START THERE BRENDA CAN YOU START US OFF AND AB YOU CAN JUMP IN AT ANY POINT » ACTUALLY, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHITE PRIVILEGE IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF I BELIEVE A LADY, THEY CALLED HER CENTRAL PARK KAREN SHE SOUGHT TO MAKE IT BAD FOR A BLACK MAN WHO IS WALKING HIS DOG OR BIRD WATCHING AND CLAIMED THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO ASSAULT HER ALL OF THE TIME HE WAS ACTUALLY RECORDING HER SO WHAT HAPPENED — WHAT TURNED OUT IS THAT WHAT SHE INTENDED FOR HIS BAD TURNED OUT TO BE HER BAD SHE WAS RAISED AND CRIMINAL CHARGES WERE AGAINST HER SO I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT KAREN, AND THAT IS NOT HER NAME, BUT IN FACT SHE EMBARRASSED HERSELF SHE EMBARRASSED HER GENDER, AND SHE EMBARRASSED THE WHITE PEOPLE SO NO DOUBT THAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS TO HER » SO IF YOU COULD CONTINUE THAT, AB, AND SORT OF GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE COMMON DEFINITIONS OF WHITE PRIVILEGE AND GO AHEAD WITH THAT EXAMPLE » YEAH, WHITE PRIVILEGE IS PEOPLE OF EUROPEAN DISSENT WHO ARE RACIALLY LABELED AS WHITE, AND SOMETIMES I WILL THROW UP THESE AIR QUOTES AROUND WHITE OR BLACK, AND MAYBE IF I AM USING HISTORICAL TERMS, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE RACIAL TERMS I DON’T LIKE TO USE RACIAL TERMS I LIKE TO REFER TO THEM BY THEIR ETHNICITY OR WHO THEY ARE AS AN INDIVIDUAL

WHITENESS COMES IN THIS COUNTRY HISTORICALLY THAT GIVES PEOPLE AN ADVANTAGE IN WAYS OVER THOSE WHO ARE LABELED PEOPLE OF COLOR, AFRICAN AMERICANS, NATIVE AMERICANS, LATINOS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THIS COMES OUT OF A REAL HISTORICAL PROCESS JUST SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT PERSONALLY, I AM OF AFRICAN, NATIVE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN DISSENT MY BOOK IS A LOT LIKE RESEARCH, OR ME SEARCH IT IS ON MY FAMILY THERE IS LIGHT SKIN PRIVILEGE AS WELL THAT GOES ALONG IN AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL WE ARE AWARE OF IT WITHIN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BUT I DON’T THINK MANY PEOPLE OF EUROPEAN DISSENT ARE ALWAYS AS AWARE OF THE PRIVILEGES THAT THEY HAVE JUST WITH LIGHT OR QUOTE-UNQUOTE WHITE SKIN JUST A SHORT QUICK ASIDE, I REMEMBER JUST A FEW YEARS AGO I WAS TRYING TO PUBLISH JUST A LITTLE ARTICLE, I WILL LEAVE THE KIND OF — THE NAME OF THIS PRESS OUT BUT THEY DIDN’T WANT TO ACCEPT MY ARTICLE BECAUSE I USED THE WORD WHITE SUPREMACY IN IT IT WAS VERY HARD FOR ME TO USE THAT TERM JUST A FEW YEARS AGO IN FACT EDITORS WANTED ME TO TAKE THAT TERM OUT SAYING WE DON’T REAL WLANT TO PUBLISH THAT IT IS AN ONLINE NEWS ARTICLE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFRAID OF THAT WORD FOR A LONG TIME HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET INTO SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION » CAN I — » YES, PLEASE » I THINK THAT WHITE SUPREMACY IS BEING SOME WHAT DEBUNKED CONSIDERING THE TIMES WE ARE IN TODAY, BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE PERCEPTION OF WHO IS IN POWER AND WHO IS NOT BLACK PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE NO LONGER THE ONES WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED OR HOMELESS HUNGER AND HOMELESSNESS HAVE NO COLOR ILLNESS HAS NO COLOR THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT COMES THROUGH ARE ALL OF US IN BEING HUMAN BEINGS IS THE COLOR OF THE SKIN THE REST OF US, WE WERE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD SO WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS WE ALL HAVE A HEART, AND ALL OF THOSE WE KNOW THAT STORY » WHAT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL WORKERS, THOUGH? DURING THE PANDEMIC WE FIND THE PEOPLE ON THE FRONT LINES DOING THAT ESSENTIAL WORK WERE MOSTLY PEOPLE OF COLOR HOW DO YOU PUT THAT INTO THAT EQUATION? DOES WHITE PRIVILEGE ALLOW YOU THEN NOT TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF JOBS? » ACTUALLY, WHITE PRIVILEGE DOES PRECLUDE THEM FROM HAVING THAT TYPE OF JOB BECAUSE ONCE THE MINORITIES ARE ACTUALLY FIRED, FIRST FIRED — LAST HIRED, FIRST FIRED, THEN THE WHITE PERSON IS GOING TO GET THAT JOB SO THAT PUTS THE BLACK PERSON OR THE MINORITY IN THE DEFICIT POSITION, WHICH THEY NORMALLY ARE IN ANYWAY AND SO THE POWER HAS BEEN USURPED BY THE MAJORITY AND THE MINORITY IS THEN AGAIN ON THE BOTTOM » THOSE ARE THE JOBS WE SEE AS THE ESSENTIAL JOBS TODAY? » YES » I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM TIME IS PASSING SO FAST THAT I AM GOING TO SKIP AHEAD WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY THE ENTIRE TIME SYSTEMIC RACISM, AND YOU CAN REFER TO THIS IF YOU WANT TO AS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, STRUCTURAL RACISM WE HEAR ALL OF THOSE TERMS NOW TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO SOMEBODY WHO ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO HAD NO IDEA WHAT SYSTEMIC RACISM IS, WAS, IS? YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT WITH HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, RED LINING, ANYWAY YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN IT A.B., CAN WE START WITH YOU THIS TIME? » YEAH IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMS OF OPPRESSION, PEOPLE TYPICALLY THINK ABOUT SLAVERY, RIGHT? THAT’S WHERE I TEACH A LOT ON — I TEACH IN THE EARLY COLONIAL PERIOD INTO THE EARLY UNITED STATES BUT I LIKE TO REMIND STUDENTS THAT THIS IS NOT —

PLANTATIONS, THE PLANTATION ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, TOBACCO, RICE, SUGAR AND COTTON PLANTATIONS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ONE SYSTEM OF RACIAL OPPRESSION AFTER SLAVERY WE HAVE JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION THAT’S ANOTHER SYSTEM OF RACIAL OPPRESSION THESE ARE STRUCTURES, WHETHER IT BE LABOR STRUCTURES, WHETHER IT BE HOUSING AND SEGREGATION UNDER JIM CROW OPPRESSION WE CAN LOOK AT THE PRISON AND THE PENAL SYSTEM SO I AM TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM POLICING TO THE COURTS TO THE JAILS WHO WE KNOW ARE FULL OF, YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME SO I THINK THAT WHAT BRENDA BRINGS UP THERE ARE POOR AMERICAN PEOPLE, POOR WHITE PEOPLE WE KNOW AFRICAN AMERICANS AND LATINOS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY REPRESENTED IN THESE SYSTEMS RIGHT? WE COULD TALK ABOUT SCHOOLING AND EDUCATION THESE ARE LARGE INSTITUTIONS THAT REALLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON EVERYONE’S LIVES SO WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY MAYBE IS SOMEONE USING A RACIAL SLUR, THE “N” WORD, THAT’S ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN WHO IS UNDER REPRESENTED OR OVER REPRESENTED IN THESE INSTITUTIONS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT IS GOING ON WITH POLICING TODAY, WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO GET A HOME LOAN THESE THINGS ARE STILL THINGS THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE STILL FACING OUTSIDE OF JUST CLASS » THAT’S CORRECT » SO BRENDA? » WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT HOME LOANS BACK IN THE DAY, I WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN EVER TO WORK IN A BANK IN THE STATE OF NEVADA IN A NONSERVICE POSITION I WENT TO WORK THERE AS A TELLER I WAS TOLD — I REALLY WAS LOOKING FOR A JOB, BUT I SAW, THEY CALLED IT PERSONNEL BACK THEN I SAW THE SIGN ON THE WALL AND THOUGHT LET ME GO AND APPLY FOR A JOB FIND OUT, YEAH, THEY HAD OPENINGS IF I COULD PASS THEIR TEST I SAID, WELL, WHEN DO I GET THE TEST THEY SAID CAN YOU TAKE IT NOW I SAID SURE YOU DON’T NEED TO STUDY? NO JUST GIVE ME THE TEST LONG STORY SHORT, THAT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE PEOPLE TODAY WHO ARE IN BANKING, THEY REALLY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I WENT THROUGH THERE MY FIRST DAY AT WORK MY BOSS TOLD ME, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH YOU BUT WE DON’T HAVE TO LIKE IT AND WE DON’T HAVE TO LIKE YOU I HAD PEOPLE GET IN A LINE THAT WAS TWICE AS LONG AS THE LINE AT MY WINDOW, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT A BLACK PERSON — THAT WAS BEING NICE I AM BEING NICE WITH THAT WORD, HANDLING THEIR MONEY HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT? BUT YET, ONCE THEY SAW THAT MY LINE MOVED FASTER THAN THE OTHERS, THEY CAME OVER, YOU KNOW, TO THE OTHER SIDE YOU TALK ABOUT HOMEOWNER SHIP BACK IN THE DAY, BLACK PEOPLE SAVED THEIR MONEY THEY ALWAYS DID THEY COULD NOT OBTAIN A HOME LOAN, BUT THE BANKER WOULD LEND THEM MONEY TO BUY A CADILLAC CAR THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD NOW AND START TALKING ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP ON THE BASIS OF APPRAISAL RED LINING OKAY? IN MY COMMUNITY WHERE I LIVE, I LIVE ON THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE » SHE LIVES IN [INAUDIBLE] VILLAGE » WHEN YOU DO APPRAISALS, AND I WAS AN APPRAISER, YOU HAVE TO DO — IN ORDER TO ARRIVE AT A VALUE, YOU DO COMPS OF COMPARABLES, BUT WHEN YOU ARE IN MY AREA, YOUR COMPS HAVE TO BE WITHIN THREE MILES OF YOUR PROPERTY SO NOW I AM ON THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE, BUT SIX-MILES OUT, SEVEN MILES OUT THERE ARE NO THREE QUARTER ACRE PROPERTIES SO MY PROPERTY IS BEING VALUED THE SAME AS THE GUY WHO HAS A 50 BY 100 FOOT LOT THAT’S DISCRIMINATION RED LINING IS NO LONGER — IT WAS OUTLAWED IN 1968, I BELIEVE

» OUTLAWED? » IT HAS JUST TAKEN A DIFFERENT FORM IF YOU ORDER SOMETHING ONLINE OR YOU WANT TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING ONLINE, THE FIRST THING THAT POPS UP IS WHAT IS YOUR ZIP CODE YOUR ZIP CODE, YOU KNOW, 89106 OR 89130 PRIMARILY USED TO BE AFRICAN AMERICAN SO RIGHT AWAY YOU ARE STIGMA TIZED YOU ARE GOING TO GET A LOAN PERHAPS IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CREDIT RATING, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO GET A HIGHER INTEREST RATE LOAN I CAN DISCONTINUE TALKING UNTIL YOU TAKE A BREAK » WHAT YOU SAID IS VERY TRUE IT WAS OUTLAWED IN 1968 WITH THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, BUT WE FIND THAT IT IS STILL HAPPENING WE SAW A NEWS REPORT THE OTHER DAY ON CBS THAT SHOWED HOUSES IN CHICAGO THAT ARE STILL BEING RED LINED AGAINST THAT IS STILL HAPPENING WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT BANKING STRUCTURE SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXAMPLE I WANT TO MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY THIS REALLY DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH — THIS IS SORT OF A REVERSAL OF WHITE SUPREMACY CAN WEALTHY BLACKS BE A PART OF SYSTEMIC RACISM? CAN THEY GET INTO A CONVERSATION LIKE WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION NOW WORKS A WEALTHY BLACK PERSON BE ABLE TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS? THE REASON I AM ASKING IS BECAUSE THE CLIPPERS COACH THE OTHER DAY DOT RIVERS SAID AND I QUOTE, MY FATHER WAS A 30 YEAR VETERAN OF THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT IF HE WAS STILL WITH US RIGHT NOW, HE WOULD BE HURT AND OUTRAGED THE SENSELESS ACTS OF RACIAL INJUSTICE THAT CONTINUE TO PLAGUE OUR COUNTRY BEING BLACK IN AMERICA IS TOUGH I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN CALLED MORE RACIAL SLURS THAN I CAN COUNT AND PULLED OVER MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT EVEN HAD MY HOUSE BURNED DOWN HE EARNS $10 MILLION A YEAR, AND BECAUSE OF THAT INCOME, THE DISCUSSIONS FLIPPED IMMEDIATELY TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE EARNS SO DOES HE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WITH THE KINDS OF MONEY HE’S MAKING? » YES, I THINK HE DOES BECAUSE HE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY IN MY MIND TO LOOK BACK FROM WENCE HE CAME HE DID NOT COME FROM OLD MONEY, WEALTHY PARENTS YES HE CAME FROM SOMEWHERE, ALONG WITH THE REST OF US WHETHER IT IS DOWN SOUTH TO PICK COTTON OR IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE YOU SELL CARS I THINK MONEY TALKS AND THE TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT IF I PULL MY MONEY OUT I AM MAKING 10 MILLION AND I PULL MY MONEY OUT, THEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE SO I NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IF I AM A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, THEN PERHAPS I CAN MAKE CHANGES COME ABOUT IT IS KIND OF LIKE THE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL PLAYERS ONCE THEY STOP GETTING PAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE AFFECTED THERE THE FANS WERE AFFECTED THE OWNERS WERE AFFECTED EVERYTHING TRICKLED ALL OF THE WAY DOWN TO THE GUY THAT SELLS POPCORN SORRY A.B I JUST TALK A LOT » YOU ARE GOOD THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT’S NOT WHERE THOSE RESPONSES COME FROM AND I THINK THIS POINTS EXACTLY TO HOW WHITE SUPREMACY WORKS IT IS NOT JUST MAYBE GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT, WHITE SUPREME CYSTS AREN’T JUST THE ONES BURNING THE CROSSES OR CARRYING THE TIKI TORCHES WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT INSTITUTIONS THEY ARE BAKED INTO THE CAKE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT TAKES GENERATIONS TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH, TO MOVE UP I THINK THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BRENDA IS TALKING ABOUT AS WELL AND SO, YOU KNOW, I GET THESE WITH STUDENT PAPERS SOMETIMES TOO THE STUDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S RACISM I TRY TO CREATE A CLASSROOM WHERE EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK I WANT THEM TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS, AND I AM NOT JUDGING ANY STUDENT BY WHETHER THEY ARE ON THE LEFT OR ON THE RIGHT, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME I CREATED KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO SAY SOME THINGS SOME STUDENTS WILL SAY HEY YOU GOT THESE BASKETBALL PLAYERS MAKING MILLIONS HOW ARE AFRICAN AMERICANS COMPLAINING ABOUT INEQUALITY? OBAMA WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUT LET’S LOOK AT THE NUMBERS LET’S LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE

ARE MAKING THAT TYPE OF MONEY AND THE AVERAGES OVERALL THEY ARE JUST NOT THERE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS MONEY DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY CAN’T SPEAK ON SOME ISSUES OTHERWISE, THE GUY IN THE WHITE HOUSE WOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO SAY NOTHING LET’S BE REAL HERE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUES » I AGREE THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A RICH CONVERSATION, AND KEVIN COULDN’T JOIN US HERE IN THE STUDIO TODAY SO KEVIN IS REMOTE AND HE IS — I AM LOOKING AT HIM, BECAUSE HE’S ON A MONITOR IN FRONT OF ME HE IS JUST CHOMPING AT THE BIT I AM GOING TO GO TO KEVIN NOW TO LET HIM COME INTO THIS CONVERSATION, AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO JOIN IN, SO IT IS JUST GOING TO BE ME AND KEVIN JUST FOR A FEW MINUTES KEVIN, HOW ARE YOU DOING OVER THERE? » I AM DOING GOOD CLAYTEE HOW ARE YOU DOING? » SO KEVIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO JUMP IN AND TALK JUST A BIT ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY ALSO YOU HEARD HOW THE CONVERSATION STARTED A BIT AGO SO COULD YOU JUMP IN ON THAT WITH YOUR IDEAS? » YEAH I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE PROVIDED SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SOMETIMES IT IS DISHEARTENING TO KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW DEEP THIS TRULY GOES EVEN INTO THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE TO NAVIGATE I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE’S CRAFT OR WORK I WORK IN HIGHER EDUCATION SOME PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE HISTORY OF COLLEGES COLLEGES WERE NOT INITIALLY DESIGNED TO ADVANCE PEOPLE OF COLOR,NOR WOMEN EVEN WHEN WOMEN WERE LET INTO COLLEGE THEY TOLD WHAT TO WATCH COLLEGE UNS ARE BUILT ON LAND OF INDIGENOUS TRIBAL COMMUNITIES RIGHT? THAT’S HOW FAR THIS GOES THAT’S HOW DEEP THIS TRULY GOES OR EVEN WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE SYSTEMS THAT HAVE REFRAINED TO ADVANCE PEOPLE ON AN EQUAL OR EQUITABLE STANDPOINT WE ARE SUBSCRIBE TO GO SYSTEMS OF WHITE SUPREME SEE EVERYTHING FROM THE CURRICULUM DESIGNS, STANDARD ENGAGEMENT, HIGHER EDUCATION YOU SPEND 4 TO 6 YEARS TO GET THIS PIECE OF PAPER WILL YOU ADVANCE IN SOCIETY AND BE ACCEPTED AMONG THE ELITE QUOTE-UNQUOTE THE LACK OF REPRESENTATION OF SENIOR FACULTY OF COLOR NOT EVEN BY RACE BUT ALSO BY GENDER THEN HOW SOME INSTITUTIONS OFFER ETHNIC STUDIES OR AFRICANA STUDIES OR LATINX STUDIES AS A MINOR AS OPPOSED TO CURRICULUM MANY INSTITUTIONS DO IT ARE BECAUSE QUOTE-UNQUOTE THEY CAN’T FIND AN EDUCATOR OR THEY TRY TO CHECK WITH DIVERSITY THEY PUT THAT IN THE MISSION STATEMENT WE HAVE A STRONG DIVERSITY WE HAVE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN MINOR THAT’S CUTE IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE SOMETIMES WE GET BLIND SIDED BY THE VEIL OF WHITE SUPREMACY IN TERMS OF SYSTEMIC RACISM I HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN THAT IN PRACTICE BUT ALSO IN RESEARCH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT FROM MY EXPERIENCES WORKING AT MY CURRENT POSITION I SERVE AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR STUDENT DIVERSITY FORMER POSITION AFRICAN AMERICAN PROGRAM COORDINATOR IN OFFICE OF DIVERSITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE ONE OF THE THINGS BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES BY THE DIASPORA I ENGAGED WITH WERE TWO TOPICS FINANCIAL LIT LITERACY AND MENTAL HEALTH WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL HEALTH THERE’S A LARGE DISPARITY SPECIFICALLY WITH THE AFRICAN DIASPORA BUT SPECIFICALLY MARGINALIZED IDENTITIES THAT TEND TO ENGAGE IN SITUATIONS THAT LEAD TO A MISDIAGNOSE SIS OR ADEQUATE TREATMENT WHEN TRYING TO ADDRESS MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS ONLY BECAUSE THE FACT THAT MANY MENTAL HEALTH PRACTICE MER NERS LACK CULTURAL COMPETENCE AND EXPLICIT BIAS SOME OF WHICH ARE ROOTD IN WHITENESS SOME ARE CONNECTED TO SYSTEMS OF WHITE SUPREME SEE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE OTHER WE ARE GOING TO TREAT YOU AS SUCH AND THEY ARE NOT TRULY ADDRESSED IN ACCOMMODATING YOUR NEEDS YOU TOOK THE STEP AND HAD THE BRAVERY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT HEY I AM NOT OKAY I NEED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY EVEN TRYING TO NAVIGATE SYSTEMS THAT CAN HELP US TEND TO OUR NEEDS, OUR PHYSIOLOGICAL NEEDS, SOMETIMES ARE A DETRIMENT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ARE INITIALLY DESIGNED WHEN YOU LOOK AT MENTAL HEALTH PRACTITIONERS IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL MAKEUP OF WHO IS WORKING IN THESE FIELDS, WHO IS GIVING TREATMENT, WHO IS GIVING MISDIAGNOSE SIS WHAT OTHER SYSTEM IS IN PLACE FOR TRAINING TO ENGAGE AND

FURTHER ENHANCE THE COMPETENCE AT THE END OF THE DAMEN TAL HEALTH SHOULD NOT BE A COOKIE CUTTER PRACTICE YET MANY SYSTEMS ROOTED IN WHITE SUPREMACY STEM FROM DOING JUST THAT PUTTING THINGS INTO PRACTICE WE ARE GOING TO TREAT EVERYONE THE EXACT SAME WAY THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING WE NEED TO HAVE AN EQUITY CENTERED LENS WE NEED TO HAVE AN APPROACH ROOTED IN THE INTERSECTIONALITY OF IDENTITIES WE POSSESS FINANCIAL LIT TEE WHEN YOU THINK OF THE LACK OF ACCESSIBLE LANGUAGE AND LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND FINANCIAL PROCESSES ARE EXECUTED, IT IS MIND BOGGLING I HAVE HEARD THIS FROM SO MANY STUDENTS THAT I WORKED WITH WITHIN THE AFRICAN DIASPORA THEY WERE TOLD BY THEIR FAMILY HEY, WE DON’T DO BANKS WE DON’T TRUST BANKS I ALWAYS ASK MY SON, WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT COMES FROM I DON’T KNOW MY MOM TOLD ME WE DON’T TRUST BANKS BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER TOLD HER WE DON’T TRUST BANKS LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF BANKING INSTITUTIONS BANKING INSTITUTIONS ACCEPT PEOPLE WHO WERE EMPLOYED AS COLLATERAL IN ORDER FOR SLAVE OWNERS TO GET LOANS TO OWN LAND THAT WAS FROM INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES THAT’S HOW DEEP THIS GOES RIGHT? SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING WE DON’T TRUST WHITE, WE DON’T DO THINGS, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE CONTEXT BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE STORY WHERE IT IS LIKE IT IS COMMON FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR NOT TO TRUST BANK ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE AFRICAN DIASPORA WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF HOW BANKING INSTITUTIONS WERE FORMED, THEY BUILT THEIR WELLS AND THEY BUILT THEIR SUSTAINABILITY AND THEY MAINTAINED THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES BECAUSE THEY ACCEPTED HUMAN BODIES, ENSLAVED BODIES AS COLLATERAL SO OTHER PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM WHITE SUPREMACY CAN OWN LAND THAT WAS STOLEN THEREFORE IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS THE PREMISE THAT I TRY TO GET FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THAT’S THE PURPOSE OF WHY I DO WHAT I DO I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW FAR THIS TRULY GOES BECAUSE IT IS INTERCONNECTED AND DEEPLY ROUTED IN ALL OF OUR INTERSECTIONAL HISTORIES THANE FLEW HE KNOWSES IN HOW WE OP — INFLUENCES IN HOW WE OPERATE TODAY » I LOVE HOW YOU SAID THAT WE NEED INFLUENCES CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE IDEA OF WEALTHY BLACKS NOT BEING A PART OF THE CONVERSATION OR SHOULDN’T BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION? » YEAH, SO WHEN IT COMES TO FOLKS WITHIN THE AFRICAN DIASPORA WHO DO STEM FROM WEALTH, I HAVE NO ISSUE OF THEM BEING A PART OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK THEY NEED TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO AN EXTENT I AM NOW ASKING YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS WEALTH, SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS ACCESS WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH IT? ARE YOU ONLY BENEFITTING YOURSELF OR ARE YOU BENEFITTING OTHER COMMUNITIES? THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE I HAVE SEEN CELEBRITIES BE ASKED QUESTIONS ON LIKE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH GEORGE FLOYD OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON BLACK LIVES MATTER OR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS THING THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU THOSE CELEBRITIES WILL STAY QUIET AND GET ON TWITTER PAGES AND START COMPLAINING OH MY GOD WHY IS THERE SO MUCH NONSENSE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD OKAY YOU ARE SITTING ON $10 MILLION WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ADDRESS IT? YOU HAVE ACCESS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE POWER YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT COULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE SYSTEMS YOU HAVE MONEY THAT COULD BE INVESTED INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU KNOW ARE NOT THRIVING MY THING IS YES, BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT FURTHERMORE BE A PART OF THE ACTION THAT COMES FROM THE CONVERSATIONS FURTHERMORE BE A PART OF THE ACTION THAT LEADS TO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEM THAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT OR WANT TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT AGAIN PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME, WE ARE DONE TALKING WE NEED — WE NEED IMMEDIATE ACTION AND IF NOT IMMEDIATE ACTION, A PLAN TO GET TO SAID ACTION AGAIN THAT’S WHY I TELL PEOPLE WE ARE WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS YEAH, SIT ON THAT WEALTH AND SPREAD THAT WEALTH » SO, KEVIN, THE OTHER DAY THEY ASKED — OKAY, SO TWO POLICE OFFICERS WERE SHOT IN COMPTON BECAUSE LEBRON JAMES HAS SPOKEN OUT VERY FERVENTLY ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY OVER THE LAST MONTHS OR SO, THEY WENT TO HIM PERSONALLY AND ASKED HIM TO HELP PAY FOR THE — WHAT DO YOU CALL IT WHEN YOU PUT UP MONEY SO THAT PEOPLE WILL COME FORWARD TO TELL THE TRUTH THEY ASKED HIM PERSONALLY TO MATCH THE FUNDS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THEY THINK A BLACK PERSON SHOT THOSE POLICE OFFICERS

» IF WE ARE GOING TO PAINT THIS NARRATIVE THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW LAWS AND YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND GIVE PEOPLE A NEW TRIAL AND ALL OF THAT UNLESS THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT SAYS A BLACK PERSON SHOT THOSE COPS WE SHOULDN’T BE OPERATING OFF THE ASSUMPTION THAT A BLACK PERSON SHOT THOSE COPS AND SHOULDN’T BE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON BLACK PEOPLE TO TRY TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER THERE’S A LARGE NARRATIVE AND DISCOURSE BETWEEN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THOSE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND AT THE END OF THE DHAIS — DAY THAT’S THE ISSUE THERE’S A BIG DISCONNECT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE THERE’S A LOT OF SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE HISTORICAL INFLUENCE OF HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS CREATED IT WAS CREATED TO PUT WHITE MEN IN POWER IN ORDER TO ESSENTIALLY GO AND TRACK DOWN RUN AWAY ENSLAVED PEOPLE THAT’S HOW IT WAS CREATED WE ARE NOT EVEN TAKING THE TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, AND YET THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ERAS OF HISTORY WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING ON THAT INTERGENERATIONAL TRAUMA WHERE COPS ARE NOT PERCEIVED POSITIVELY BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT COME FROM THEIR TRAINING, THEIR REACTION BEHAVIORS AND ALSO THEY ARE PROFILING OF BLACK AND BROWN BODIES OR IN OTHER FOLKS WITH DISMARGINALIZED IDENTITIES THEN GOING TO LEBRON, I DON’T HAVE THE MOST OPINION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I AM HOPING LEB LEBRON JAMES IS USING HIS CLOUT AND PRIVILEGE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD KNOWING THERE IS A BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN COMMUNITIES OF COL OTHER AND LAW ENFORCEMENT » QUITE A BIT BEFORE I LEAVE YOU I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU APREACH THE LAST QUESTION THAT I AM GOING TO ASK THE PANEL SO IS IT HOUR JOB, IS IT THE JOB OF BLACK PEOPLE TO TALK TO OUR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND CHURCH MEMBERS ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM? IS IT UP TO US TO TEACH THEM ABOUT THIS? » SO I DEFINITELY DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS OUR JOB WHEN I HEAR JOB, I THINK OF EMPLOYMENT I HAVE DEFINITELY EDUCATED A FEW PEOPLE AND WAS NOT PAID FOR IT ON TOP OF THAT I WASN’T PAID FOR THE EMOTIONAL LABOR I PUT INTO THAT CONVERSATION MY APPROACH IS I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE FREE SAMPLE, DON’T DO THAT ONE THAT’S RACISM, PROBLEMATIC AND THREE IT IS ROOTED IN WHITE SUPREMACY CHECK YOURSELF, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE AND GO EDUCATE YOURSELF I WILL CALL YOU OUT THE FIRST TIME BUT I AM NOT HERE TO BE BLACK WIKIPEDIA OR BLACK GOOGLE QUITE FRANKLY I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, THAT WAS NOT RIGHT HEY, THAT IS ACTUALLY LOW KEY RACISM HIGH KEY RACISM THEN I PROVIDE RESOURCES LIKE, HEY, YOU SHOULD GO READ THIS BOOK AS A MATTER OF FACT READ THIS ARTICLE AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT AT THE END OF THE DAY I AM AROUND MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE OF GOOD SOUND AND MIND THAT KNOW HOW TO READ A BOOK AND KNOW HOW TO DO A GOOGLE SEARCH THAT KNOW HOW TO USE TECHNOLOGY FOR THEIR ADVANTAGE I DON’T THINK IT IS OUR JOB TO EDUCATE FOLKS, HOWEVER, I THINK IT IS EVERYONE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE I AM NOT SAYING THAT BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE HOLDING EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE I AM SAYING BLACK PEOPLE, BROWN FOLKS, WHITE FOLKS, NONBLACK FOLKS ALL TOGETHER SHOULD BE INTERCONNECTEDLY HOLDING EACH OTHER COLLECTIVELY ACCOUNTABLE IN ORDER TO BE BETTER AND TO DE COLON — DE COLONIZE THEIR MINDSET THERE ARE SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DE COL ONIZED BECAUSE THE COOKIE CUTTER SYSTEMS ARE NOT WORKING NO IT IS NOT OUR JOB HOWEVER, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE SHOULDN’T HESITATE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS AND PEOPLE WE ENGAGE WITH SHOULD NOT HESITATE TO DO THE SELF WORK GO READ A BOOK OR AN ARTICLE IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHERE TO START IT IS CALLED GOOGLE IF YOU STILL DO KNOW HOW TO START READ A BOOK IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS I AM NOT HERE TO DO ANY HAND HOLDING MY FAMILY TOLD ME, LIFE IS NOT A BAKERY, THEREFORE YOU SHOULDN’T BE SUGAR COATING ANYTHING THAT’S WHY I TELL PEOPLE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE WHITE SUPREME CYST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM NOT OH I THINK THERE’S A RACE ISSUE IT IS WHITE SUPREMACY WHAT ARE WE NAVIGATING WHAT ARE WE DOING AS INDIVIDUALS AND COLLECTIVELY TO ADDRESS IT » THANK YOU SO MUCH I AM SO SORRY YOU COULDN’T BE HERE IN THE STUDIO WITH US, BUT SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR INPUT INTO THESE QUESTIONS SO THANK YOU SO MUCH

» THANK YOU » SO BACK TO HERE IN THE STUDIO THE ONE QUESTION THAT I APPROACHED WITH KEVIN THAT I DIDN’T APPROACH WITH YOU, SO IS IT OUR JOB TO TRAIN OUR COLLEAGUES, OUR WHITE COLLEAGUES, OUR WHITE FRIENDS, CHURCH MEMBERS ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM? » I DON’T BELIEVE SO H» HOW ARE THEY GOING TO LEARN? » I THINK THEY SHOULD SEEK FOR THEMSELVES THEY SHOULD WANT TO KNOW THEY SHOULD WANT TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE, A BETTER LIFE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, A BETTER LIFE FOR HUMAN BEINGS IN GENERAL I HAVE ONE OF MY EXPERIENCES, AFTER PEOPLE MEET ME AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT LIKE THE REST OF THEM WHAT? THE REST OF WHO? I SAID, HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW? THEY DON’T KNOW ANY BLACK PEOPLE SO THEIR PERCEPTION IS WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN ON THE MEDIA, WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD FROM THEIR PARENT AND THEIR GRANDPARENTS IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ADDRESS I SAID SO THEN WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, ACTUALLY YOU ACCEPT ME AS I AM, WAS I AM UNAPOLOGETICALLY BLACK I DON’T MAKE ANY BONES I DON’T TRY TO SPEAK NASALLY I DON’T TRY TO DO ANY OF THOSE I AM WHO I AM THAT TELLS ME YOU HAVE TO BE WHO YOU ARE YOU NEED TO GO AND SEVEN OUT OTHER BLACK PEOPLE SO THAT YOU WILL GET TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ACTUALLY THINK ARE SO HORRIBLE AND AGAIN, I THINK THE MEDIA HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT, AND I AM GOING TO ADDRESS THIS VERY QUICKLY IF YOU READ IN THE PAPER, JUST LOOK AT THE PAPER TOMORROW, IF THERE IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO HAS COMMITTED A CRIME, YOU WILL SEE THEIR PICTURE ON THE NEWSPAPER IF IT WAS A WHITE PERSON, THEY SAY A MAN DID THUS AND SO THEY DON’T PUT HIS PICTURE UP, EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW IT, AND THEY DON’T SAY A BLACK MAN SO YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT A BLACK PERSON THAT DID THE CRIME THAT’S RACISM OKAY THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I READ THE PAPER DAILY, HAVE DONE IT ALL OF MY LIFE I SEE IT AND IT IS STILL A PUNCH IN THE GUT WHEN YOU SEE IT WE DON’T COMMIT ALL OF THE CRIMES WE ARE NOT IN THE MAJORITY THAT MAKES NO SENSE THAT ANY ONE WOULD THINK THAT » A.B.? » IS IT OUR JOB? IS IT OUR JOB? I GET PAID TO TEACH, SO IT IS TECHNICALLY MY JOB BUT WE DON’T DO THE BEST JOB, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO US AS PEOPLE OF COLOR A LOT OF THE TIME THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THERE ARE ALLIES, RIGHT? THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PEOPLE OF COLOR, THEY DON’T IDENTIFY AS PEOPLE OF COLOR EURO AMERICANS, WHITES, RIGHT? WHO ARE COMING OUT TO THE PROTESTS NOW RIGHT? THEY ARE SUPPORTING US IN THESE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENTS THAT ARE CONTINUING THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IT DIDN’T STOP AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE GETTING A LOT MORE MEDIA ATTENTION NOW THESE DAYS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THE CAMERAS, RIGHT? WE ALREADY KNEW THESE THINGS WERE TAKING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITIES WE DON’T HAVE TO TEACH — AS PEOPLE OF COLOR WE DON’T HAVE TO TEACH EACH OTHER ABOUT SYSTEMATIC RACISM WE HAVE SEEN TEFR RYRY DAY WE HAVE LIVED THROUGH THESE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IT REALLY GAINS THE MOST TRACTION, I SEE IT WITH MY STUDENTS OF EUROPEAN DISSENT, WHEN THEY GO HOME OVER THANKSGIVING DINNER AND THEY HAVE THOSE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT’S WHY I LIKE THE TITLE OF THIS, WE NEED TO TALK WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS IT IS TIME FOR EURO AMERICA TO FURTHER THE CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES JOIN US IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT’S WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET THE MOST MOVEMENT AND AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY HAVE TO WANT TO LEARN » ONE OF THE THINGS, A FEATURE ON THE PROGRAM I DIDN’T SHARE WITH YOU IS WE HAVE QUESTIONS COMING IN WE ARE GOING TO SWITCH NOW AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING SENT IN

THE FIRST ONE IS, AND I WILL SAVE THAT ONE FOR LAST BECAUSE IT IS REALLY OUR LAST QUESTION WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS SO UNCOMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES? RACISM, WHITE SUPREMACY, WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT? » I THINK IT IS PROBABLY THE FEAR OF UNKNOWN MOST OF IT IS FEAR THEY DON’T KNOW THEY HAVE TO VENTURE OUT TO FIND OUT » THEY HAVE TO RECOGNIZE INEQUALITY, REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN DENIAL ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY I AM NOT, YOU KNOW, BURNING THE TORCH, RIGHT I AM NOT GOING OUT LYNCHING ANY ONE THEN YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS IF YOU DON’T SAY SOMETHING YOU CAN COMPLICIT I LOVE THIS BECAUSE IT CHALLENGES US ALL TO HAVE THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS SOMETIMES IT IS THE LOUDEST PERSON IN THE ROOM, AND SO QUESTION STAY QUIET WHEN THERE IS A COMMENT MADE I CHALLENGE EVERYONE SOMETIMES IT IS TOUGH FOR MYSELF, BECAUSE I HEAR THINGS, I AM VERY LIGHT SKINNED, PEOPLE PERCEIVE ME AS WHITE I HEAR A LOT OF THING IF I WERE A FEW SHADES DARKER I WOULD NOT HEAR IT IS EVEN HARD FOR ME TO STEP UP AND CHALLENGE OTHERS SOMETIMES AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY DON’T YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? ARE AFRICAN AMERICANS REALLY GETTING SHOT UNARMED BY POLICE FOR NO REASON? WE HAVE THE STATISTICS TWO TO THREE TIMES AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN ARE SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE IN THIS COUNTRY WHY IS THIS A DISCUSSION OF IF POLICE BRUTALITY IS A THING WE NEED TO COME TO SOLUTIONS HOW DO WE ADDRESS IT? NOT ALL POLICE ARE BAD IT IS JUST SOME BUT LET’S GET TO THE ROOT OF HOW WE CAN SOLVE THESE ISSUES » SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE SOME RECOMMENDED RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ISSUES LIKE WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY EARLIER SOMEONE HAS ALREADY SAID GOOGLE WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU — IS THERE A BOOK THAT YOU READ RECENTLY THAT IS AN EASY BOOK THAT IS — HAS EXPLAINED ALL OF THESE TERMS? » THAT’S — HERE’S WHERE THE AUTHOR SAYS, WELL, IF YOU READ MY BOOK I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THAT YOU CAN READ BOOKS THE BOOKS ARE OUT THERE, RIGHT? TALK TO PEOPLE WATCH THESE PROGRAMS YOU ARE DOING THIS RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE WATCHING THIS AT HOME, RIGHT? » I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND YOU FIND THIS PROGRAM, WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF RESOURCES ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK ON THEM AND START READING WE HAVE LISTED ALL OF THEM FOR YOU, SO WE HAVE MADE IT EASY » CLAYTEE HOW DO YOU REACH THOSE WHO DON’T READ WELL, WHO DON’T COMPREHEND I LISTEN TO MOST TALK SHOWS, I FIND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISCUSSING THE ISSUES ARE BASICALLY TALKING TO THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE ON THEIR LEVEL THEY ARE USING TERMS AND WORDS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND SO THEY UNDERSTAND THERE’S AN ISSUE, BUT I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT AFFECTS ME » I AM SORRY I AM ASKING YOU THAT QUESTION I THINK THAT WE SAID EARLIER WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR LIVES I THINK WHETHER YOU ARE IN A ROOM, AFTER THANKSGIVING DINNER, DURING A FOOTBALL GAME, WHENEVER YOU ARE CONGREGATED SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO STAND UP SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT AND SAY THIS CONVERSATION IS NOT HEALTHY » PROBABLY BY SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WE NEED TO TALK LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS » EXACTLY LET ME TAKE YOU TO THIS LAST QUESTION ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT OUT OF THIS SERIES IS THAT WE ACTUALLY WANT SOLUTIONS WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN GO FROM HERE WHAT IS IT FOR US TO DO FOR US TO GO FROM HERE SOMEONE HAS ASKED HOW CAN WE DO BETTER IN LAS VEGAS HOW CAN WE DO IT? HOW CAN WE DO BETTER?

» ARE YOU GOING? » WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH » JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION EDUCATION, OF COURSE IT STARTS AT K THROUGH 12, KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE SO MANY OF MY STUDENTS COME TO ME AND THEY HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH MISINFORMATION THAT HALF OF THE TIME I AM REALLY UNTEACHING THE BAD INFORMATION BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE INTERNET WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION AT OUR FINGERTIPS WE CAN LEARN BUT GET INVOLVED THAT’S WHERE I WOULD SAY GO FIND AN ORGANIZATION, GO FIND A GROUP IT IS TOUGH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF COVID IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW COVID IS ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE OF SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION AND RACISM WHO IS DYING, RIGHT? AFRICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS WE ARE SUFFERING IN THE LARGEST NUMBERS FROM THE VIRUS NATIVE AMERICANS ON THE RESERVATIONS CONTRACTING THE VIRUS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HEALTH CARE AS KEVIN POINTED OUT IN SOME AREAS, WE ARE BEING AFFECTED GET INVOLVED YOU KNOW, GET INVOLVED THIS IS WHERE I HAND IT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN ACTIVISTS FOR YEARS » I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS EDUCATION AND YOU SAID K THROUGH 12 I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I REALLY THINK IT STARTS WITH PRESCHOOL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BASELINE THESE KIDS ARE EASILY INFLUENCED AND THEY LOVE EACH OTHER THEY DON’T KNOW THAT PRIOR TO THIS UNTIL SOMEONE TEACHES IT TO THEM IT ALSO STARTS WITH THE TEACHERS SOME TEACHERS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE TEACHING BLACK KIDS BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW THEM THEY HAVE NO HISTORY, NO DIVERSITY, THEY MIGHT GET A FEW WEEKS OF DIVERSITY TRAINING ONCE THEY GET HIRED CCSD THAT STILL DOES NOT GIVE THEM A TRUE UNDERSTANDING BUT ONCE THE CHILDREN, THE SMALL CHILDREN LEARN, THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE IT HOME TO THEIR PARENTS IT IS GOING TO WORK LIKE THAT THAT’S THE WAY WE WILL GROW IT FROM THERE BUT WHERE DO WE GO FROM NOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY THE QUESTION I THINK I HEARD THIS LADY SAY TO HER KIDS, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING OVER THERE I GUESS IT WAS HER KID’S FRIENDS I KNEW INSTINCTIVELY THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK PEOPLE LIVE OVER THERE THAT IS A COMMON TERMINOLOGY THAT TELLS YOU THERE IS DISCRIMINATION IN THE AIR I WAS LISTENING TO CLARK COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD MEETING THE OTHER DAY AND ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID, I HAVE FRIENDS OVER THERE OH MY GOD OVER THERE Y /* — WHY CAN’T YOU SAY OVER ON THE WEST SIDE THEY NEED TO BE TAUGHT OUR HISTORY TO KNOW WHAT BLACK PEOPLE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IT IS NOT THIS COTTON, GIN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE DOCTORS AND LAWYERS BACK IN THE DAY AND BANKERS AND INSURANCE PEOPLE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT AMERICA UP AMERICA TODAY THAT HAS BEEN SQUASHED BY THOSE WHO TEND TO WANT TO BE SUPERIOR TO US » I AGREE I THINK AMERICAN HISTORY HAS TO BE TAUGHT IN A DIFFERENT WAY I DIDN’T LEARN AMERICAN HISTORY I DON’T BELIEVE ONE BLACK PERSON WAS IN THE BOOK » THE REASON I DON’T USE AFRICAN AMERICAN ANY MORE IN COMMUNITY GROUPS, BECAUSE WHEN THEY INVITE ME TO DO A PRESENTATION ON AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY, THE WHITE PEOPLE IN THEIR ROOM GO TO THE COMPUTER AND START WRITING I SAY I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT AMERICAN HISTORY THAT’S THE WAY I DO IT TODAY ADDING ON TO THAT, U.S HISTORY IS — AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY IS NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY THE LARGEST IMMIGRATION WAS FORCED IMMIGRATION FROM 1492 TO 1820S THERE WERE MORE AFRICANS WHO CAME OFF THE ATLANTIC NATIVE AMERICANS WERE MAJORITY

OF POPULATION OF NORTH HAESHG — THESE ARE THINGS WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ETHNIC STUDIES YEAH, ETHNIC STUDIES IS U.S STUDIES » THIS HAS BEEN WONDERFUL » JUST GETTING WARMED UP » OF COURSE WE ARE ALMOST AT THE END WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR CLOSING REMARKS I DON’T KNOW IF I CAN BRING KEVIN BACK IN FOR ANY CLOSING REMARKS, BUT I DON’T THINK SO I AM GOING TO WAIT TO GET THE EYE CAN I GET CLOSING REMARKS FROM THE TWO OF YOU? WE HAVE ABOUT 4 MORE MINUTES IF I COULD GET CLOSING REMARKS, ANY REMARKS YOU WANT TO MAKE, THINGS YOU WANTED TO SAY » I AM REALLY PLEASED TO BE A PART OF THIS I WASABLE TO SAY SOME THINGS THAT PERHAPS HAVE BEEN PENT UP, AND I NEEDED TO JUST KIND OF GET IT OUT I NEVER REALLY DISCUSS BEING HOW I WAS TREATED AT THE BANK OR AT THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES BECAUSE I WAS THE FIRST BLACK TO WORK THERE TOO MY MOTHER WAS THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO WORK AT BASIC MAGNESIUM PLANT IN THE EARLY 1940s I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THIS, BECAUSE COMING FROM ARKANSAS SHE DIDN’T HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE BUT SHE HAD A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION MY GRANDFATHER WORKED AS A LABORER SO TOLD MY MOM TO COME OUT AND GET A JOB FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION AND THEY HIRED HER THE NEXT DAY GET THAT BROOM AND YOU START SWEEPING UP NO, NO, NO, NO I HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DEGREE I AM NOT SWEEPING ANYWHERE I WILL GO TO THE UNION BACK IN THE DAY THEY HAD A STRONG UNION IN THE 40’S SHE WENT TO THE UNION AND THE NEXT DAY MY MOM WAS STANDING NEXT TO THE WHITE LADIES MAKING MUNITIONS IN WORLD WAR II THAT’S SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT MORE PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT INTO THIS CIRCLE, MORE PEOPLE WILL BE DISPOSED » LIKE THE TRUTH OF RECONCILIATION » YES » I AM GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THESE STORIES I WILL KEEP MINE SHORT I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME CONTINUE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AND CONTINUE LISTENING ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE LIVING THROUGH THE EXPERIENCES » THANK YOU SO MUCH SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND FOR HELPING US TO BEGIN TO WORK, TO HEAL, AND MOVE FORWARD WE WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS B. WILKINSON, BRENDA WILLIAMS, KEVIN WRIGHT, OUR DONORS, SARA MASON AND JERRY TOMICH AND UNLV LIBRARY GREENSPUN COLLEGE URBAN AFFAIRS FOR SPONSORING TONIGHT’S PROGRAM WE WANT TO THANK UNLV FOR RECORDING AND STREAMING THE PANEL THIS IS AMAZING THIS IS A GREAT START SO THANK YOU ALL » THANK YOU » THANK YOU