City of Fremont Town Hall Meeting 6/10/2020

– Good evening, and welcome to tonight’s town hall meeting, sponsored by Mayor Lily Mei, and Chief Kimberly Peterson on the topic of policing in our community We’re really happy to have all of you here with us tonight and just looking at the numbers, we’re at almost 190 participants as this meeting kicks off And as you will hear consistently through tonight, tonight is just the first meeting of what we believe many to come In a couple of moments I will turn the meeting over to Captain Sean Washington who will be our moderator tonight But before I do so, I would like to go over the structure of the meeting and share with participants how they can comment and ask questions during tonight’s meeting We anticipate that it’ll take about an hour and a half for our agenda this evening The meeting as many of you know is on zoom It is also being streamed live on the Fremont Police Department’s Facebook page, as well as on our local government cable channel 27 Please feel free to continue sharing that information and encourage your friends, your neighbors, family to get online and participate tonight Tonight’s meeting will also be recorded and available following the meeting, again on all of our social platforms, and we’ll be sure to announce those details following My name is Geneva Bosques, and I’m the public affairs manager I’m sitting with Alberto, who you can’t see but know that he’s behind the scenes helping to facilitate our zoom this evening And we hope to make this as seamless as possible for all of our viewers Once we begin the question and answer portion of the meeting, each speaker will have approximately one minute to either share a comment or ask a question of our panelists We ask out of respect for time that you limit the questions as best you can So what we mean by that is if you’ve already heard the same question asked, we would appreciate if you would allow other community members to have the forum to ask new questions or follow up so that we can hear as much as we can tonight, because tonight is really about listening, it’s really about you, the viewers in our community, who are here with us tonight We really are here for you Our panelists will be taking notes throughout the evening and we’ll have time at the end to address questions and their closing remarks To participate during the discussion, you have a few options You can type a question in the Zoom chat You can also raise your hand with the button at the bottom of the screen and then wait to be called on, or if you’re on Facebook Live or watching on our cable channel, or if it’s just easier, you can also call our toll free number So I’m gonna take pause and then I’m gonna give that number so that everybody can write it down and we will again share it right before we go into our question and comment period The number this evening is 1833-430-0037 Again that is a toll free line You will also need a webinar ID to participate with the phone call The webinar ID is 925-8663-7817 You will need to click star nine to raise your hand to speak via phone, and myself, and partner Alberto will be here to see that and then promptly include you in the dialogue this evening I’m now going to turn over the meeting to Captain Sean Washington – Good evening everyone and welcome to our Fremont City Hall town meeting My name is Sean Washington, and I’m privilege to serve this wonderful community I will be your moderator tonight My role tonight is to help facilitate conversation, and provide an avenue for you to express your thoughts and concerns to your government Tonight, and before you had a range of emotions and thoughts of my own with past experiences of black man, an America, and as a dedicated public servant, working as a police officer And sadden that we have to have this meeting in the first place, as a result of injustices and incidents of police brutality, that cause such aches, pain and concern in our communities over the years I understand the valid feelings and deep concern of anger our community has communicated utilizing peaceful,

nonviolent protests, emails and phone calls I understand that the despicable actions of a few criminals dishonoring the police uniform and badge does not accurately portray this noble law enforcement professional Finally, I am pleased to be part of a city and a police department that is willing to listen and be responsive to its community’s concerns Tonight, if there are times during the comments section, we will break you in and allow for comments from our panelists Please keep in mind that we will not have the ability to address each comment or question you will have tonight As Geneva mentioned, we are taking notes and we will do the best we can to address your comments at a later date Tonight I’m pleased to welcome our panelists and distinguished guest speakers from our community In addition to our panel, we have several other representatives from your government that may speak tonight I’m pleased to announce we have Mayor Lily Mei with us, our city manager, Mark Danaj, a respected community member, Pastor Brian Murphy from South Bay Community Church, and our police chief, Kimberly Peterson We’ll start the meeting by first hearing from our Mayor, Mayor Lily Mei – Good evening Thank you so much for everyone in taking the time to join us this evening We heard from so many speakers yesterday about the importance of being able to express their concerns to us, and we had a great participation And that’s what we’re hoping to be able to continue today is that conversation with our community Fremont is fortunate to be the fourth largest city in the Bay Area, with an incredibly diverse community We are very fortunate to have a very active youth engagement programs with building bridges from reaching out to our elementary school students, as well as with outreach from our health and human services, we expressed and shared a little bit, in the past we celebrated the 20th anniversary for our Fremont Family Resource Center where nearby City Hall We have 23 nonprofits able to gather and work with many programs offering to our community, such as our VITA program, which is our Volunteer Income Tax Assistance And then finally we also have tonight in light of the languages and diversity, we also wanted to make sure we had closed captioning, because we’re home to the school for the deaf and for the school for the blind We are inviting all of you to join us in this conversation and dialogue because many of you have expressed the concerns or interest in wanting to look at what Fremont’s gonna be moving forward And it has changed, a lot has changed since COVID-19, and how we work, how we educate ourselves, and at the same time we’re having this conversation about policing And so, that’s why we’re very excited and fortunate to have the first of the series of discussions and have the open dialog where we can help shape and reimagine what policing will be like in the post COVID-19 and then after these types of discussions So thank you for taking the time and I look forward to hearing from all of you – [Sean] Thank you Mayor Mei Next we will hear from our city manager, Mark Danaj – Thank you Sean and thank you Mayor, and thank you all that are joining us today Simply put our nation and region are in crisis, and our community is not immune Fremont is not immune And because of that, tonight we plan to start a community conversation about what policing is in Fremont, and what it needs to become for us to move forward It will include us talking about our police department, and why is it progressive department, because of all the years it took to listen, to learn and to adapt The equally important this evening, if not even more so, is hearing from you, in hearing what you want your Fremont police community to be, how you want community policing in a Fremont, in the immediate future and in the years to come And I don’t think any of us think we’re gonna figure everything out tonight But as the mayor has suggested, this is going to be the beginning of an ongoing conversation And it is one that the highest levels of the city government are committed to having and facilitating And while it needs to be thoughtful, I believe it has to be done with urgency and with the resolve to make us all better

Thank you for joining us tonight, I’m very excited to see the numbers continuing to go up on the people who are watching us, and I look forward to this beginning conversation and the ones that will follow Thank you – [Sean] Thank you Mark Next we’ll hear from Pastor Brian Murphy, from the South Bay Community Church – Good evening everyone I wanna start by thanking the city, (voice distorts) for the opportunity to speak as a representative from the African American community and Fremont, and in our nation as a whole I’m glad to see that we are having some intense and necessary conversations about community policing in Fremont and in our nation, and I can tell you that the African American community is glad to see such a broad support from our community as the nationwide and global protest are raising an important topic in our community I wanna give three framing points as I kind of approached this conversation One, ’cause I don’t want us to miss the fact that grief is at the core of this issue and at the protest I wanna acknowledge the grief from George Floyd and his family as the incident that has sparked this national debate I wanna raise the point that in the last several weeks, the African American community is in a communal grief, we’ve seen Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd, all of these incidents back to back to back, so there is a communal grief that is rising up in this community And in a second point it’s important to realize that this is not a new issue I realize for some of us we feel like something new is happening But the reason for the intensity from the community, at least that I represent is because there’s been a long history since the birth of our country of issues with how black bodies, black skin is perceived in this nation And so for me it’s very important for us to understand that this is not a one incident issue, this is not a rogue cop or a personal moral failure issue, we cannot reduce this conversation to that This is an issue about community policing, particularly around issues with the African American community but those issues span all cultures, all the issues we’re talking about the ability to have respect, deescalation abilities to see each other as human beings with value and worth and I think that’s what was so critical and I don’t wanna take too much time but that’s why I think this issue has sparked such great concern We saw for over eight minutes that there is a psyche, a mentality in this country where black bodies are devalued and dehumanized Each excruciating minute pointed out, not just a policing issue but a national psyche issue, but the reality is community policing is the pointy tip, it is the manifestation of a larger psyche with the African American community And so I would encourage us not to let too many issues crowd and drown out what I think is the fundamental point of this national and global protests, that there is pain in this community that has been there for a long time, and we are hopeful in this conversation to have new dialogue, new ideas, new solutions as we do this together Thank you, – Thank you Brian, we appreciate those comments Next we’ll have Chief Kimberly Peterson of our Fremont Police Department – Hi, good evening, I’m Kimberly Peterson and first of all, I just wanna thank you mayor and city manager today for pulling this together And Brian, I particularly wanna thank you for joining us to provide us a perspective because we truly see you as one of our community leaders, so thank you for being here as well So, going last, you’re gonna truly see that I did not coordinate my comments with anyone else because it may sound a bit repetitive, but the first thing I wanna tell you is that the opportunity for us here is to listen It’s to listen, and it’s to do some self reflection, to do some self reflection as a profession, and as a department, as your police department It’s become increasingly clear to me, and part of that is listening to people in this community like Brian, that this does go well beyond the horrific killing of George Floyd An incident that we universally in law enforcement reject as criminal, and not part of law enforcement, not part of acceptable law enforcement And we share your anger at that, we share your anger that this could still be happening,

because it’s not just this single incident or this is not the only incident which has caused this outpouring and again, now I feel like I’m repeating a little bit of what Brian has said and not nearly as eloquently, but this outpouring of emotion and anger from every corner of America is not just about this It’s about the history of these events over time, it’s about the repetition It’s really reopened the wounds of a history of police violence, a history of mistrust for law enforcement in communities of color and particularly the African American community And it goes even bigger than that, even bigger than just law enforcement, it’s societal It’s America’s history of racial inequity and bias And so we’re here, we’re here to listen and to better understand what you need from us, so that we can work to be the best law enforcement agency for all of you Thank you – Thank you, Chief And thank you to all our panelists for your opening comments But before we go into comments from our community, I’d like to just address a few issues if I could directly for. (voice distorting) Some common themes that we’ve heard over the last few weeks, and last night at our city council meeting Last night here in the council meeting, it came up a few times, the Kate Hue Ed story, related to our amendment of our records retention policy Chief I’ve asked you, could you address this concern from the community publicly tonight as we move into our public comments? – Yeah, thank you Captain Washington It’s actually a little hard to hear you, I’m not sure where the mic is I know you talked about records retention but – Yes Chief, is that better? Is that a little bit better? – Yeah, it’s just muffled but essentially you want me to address this ongoing conversation around records retention, was that the– – Yes, that’s exactly the question Chief, and I’ll try to speak up a little bit more as we go along tonight – Okay So, yeah, this keeps coming up, and so thank you for giving me a chance to address it and to explain it a little bit further So, I do need to give everybody a little bit of history at what this is about So, there are laws that govern how long government agencies hold on to their records, whether they’re paper or whether their video records, and how and when to do purging or how when you can get rid of these records because you can’t store records forever, it’s not good business practice to store them forever, they take up room, whether they’re paper or video files And so, there are various laws that govern different records What we have as a city is called a retention schedule and again, it’s a standard business practice to have a retention schedule It’s a document that outlines the minimum amount of time that you have to keep these various records So, as some examples in Fremont, we keep training files, we keep officers training files and the training files have to be kept for as long as their employed plus seven years Their personnel file has to be kept as long as they’re employed plus six years Internal Affairs investigations, if they are internally generated, you have to be kept for two years And if it’s a citizen complaint or something that comes from the outside, those have to be kept for five years Those are all governed by law Officer involved shooting documents or records, those have to be kept for 10 years by law, and the laws vary, some are Government Code, some are penal code, you can just go to our city website and you can look at that retention schedule yourself So when you’re ready to destroy documents or purge them, there’s a process in place If it’s time for the purging cycle, the people who are holding on to those records, it could be admin assistants, it could be managers, they fill out the paperwork, it’s submitted to the head of the unit or the department, we sign it, we send it to the city attorney who also gives it a second review before these can be properly purged So we’ve been doing purges since well before my time We do routine purges, as things begin to fill up, we begin to purge Depending on the unit, they can happen monthly, they can have a quarterly, they can happen annually In 2017 we took a look at our retention schedule and it had not been updated in years, and our city attorney’s office brought that to our attention We were working to update our body worn camera policy

because we were working on a body worn camera project, updating, we were bringing in body worn cameras, as well as a new video camera system for our cars And so we needed to update that So we went through a full update We did not, already in 2017, the time standard for internal affairs files, as well as officer involved shooting files, were not changed in 2017 So, internal IA is two years, external IA is five years, and officer involved shooting at that time 25 years And we changed a whole bunch, just updated a whole bunch of those records If you look at the retention schedule, you’ll see how many are listed on there In 2018, we were still in the middle of the body worn camera project, we were bringing that on At the same time, just in the larger context, 1421, or Senate Bill 1421 was passed in late 2018, and that brought on some new requirements for all police agencies in California, and since that passed in late 2018, effective January 1st of 2019, we now are required to release all documents related to four types of events So, one, I gotta look at my notes to make sure I cover them properly here One is officer involved shootings If an officer fires a weapon at a person, towards a person, we need to release all of those records publicly Any sort of use of force on a person that caused great bodily injury Any sustained internal affairs investigation that was sustained for sexual assault while on duty of an officer, that must be released publicly, all of those documents And then also, internal affairs investigations where there’s a sustained finding of dishonesty within the workplace So those are the four things that 1421 added to us In 2018, we also, as I mentioned, were bringing on the body worn cameras, trying to figure out how do we manage all of this body worn camera video? We have to store it for a certain amount of time And so one of the problems with all this body worn video is they’re huge video files, and they’re extremely costly to save And so in 2018, we did another update to the retention schedule for two reasons What we did is one we decided to align all the retention schedule pieces to the law So, officer involved shootings, the law says you have to keep them for 10 years We were keeping them for 25 We brought it down to align with the law for two reasons One, it’s very costly to store all that body worn camera video We can get hundreds of hours from a single event, because you can have so many officers present, plus you have the body worn camera and the in car video But the second reason is we knew, with officer involved shootings, we would be releasing it publicly, putting it out on the public platform and once we put that out on the internet, we make the assumption that it lives forever out there on the internet So once we put that out there we assume it is out there forever But we still keep the files for 10 years So, I’m not sure Do you think I’ve covered all of it, Sean? I’m just gonna ask you – Yes Chief, I think that there were a lot of points that have been expressed over the last few weeks and you covered a lot of those points, so I just wanted to have you speak on that because I know hearing from our community that has come up quite a bit– – Yeah, and just one other point I forgot to make So again in 2018, we did not change the IA retention, that has remained the same all throughout We did bring that that one type down but once we release it publicly it’s yours, it’s the public’s, so – Thank you Chief I think now what we’ll do is go in for our public comments And so, just making sure our staff is ready for our first speaker, I’m getting ahead, yes, so I’ll yield to our staff member who is gonna facilitate that – Thank you Captain Washington And as we move into the public speakers, you’ll notice that we’ve had to make some technical adjustments here so that the sound is better, we hope that all of you viewers at home can now hear Captain Washington a little bit better And please send us a chat message if you continue to see anything or the volume decreases, we really appreciate that feedback And for those who’ve already sent us a message, thank you Just to remind everyone how you can participate during the comments and question period, we will really be listening And so, we will likely have multiple speakers

following each other, but we won’t necessarily answer questions immediately Our panelists are taking notes, we wanna give as much opportunity to the speakers as we can under the limited time, we have about an hour that we’re going to go for questions and answers, and again, you can either send them into the chat group, you can raise your hand, or you can call in at 1833-430-0037, webinar ID, 925-8663-7817 And again click star nine to raise your hand to speak via the phone So without further ado we’re gonna go ahead and move in, we see some hands being raised We are currently at just about 400 participants, and our first speaker is Annie Annie, if you can unmute yourself – [Annie] Yep I can, can you hear me? – We can hear you – [Annie] Great, yeah, I’m calling in as a member of the public to say a few things First I’m rejecting the idea that the Fremont police needs almost half of our general fund money They got about 44%, which means that the other services and programs that we have aren’t going to be getting that money And as well, we reject the idea that Fremont needs more police because more police do not in fact correlate to a decrease in crime And we also have studies that say reformist measures like diversity training and body cams unfortunately are quite ineffective So we need to not count on those things, and say yep, we’ve fixed everything, we need to take more large steps to invest in programs that prevent the conditions of poverty which lead to crime These things which we can invest in include public permanently affordable housing, community land trust, drug addiction services, community based group programs, et cetera And then I understand that you probably will not be answering questions right now But I’m asking, where can we as members of the public find out– – Annie, you’re time is up So thank you for speaking first All right, next we have Fabiha Zaman If you can unmute yourself – [Fabiha] Can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Fabiha] Hi, Chief Peterson I urge you to be a leader, not just nationally but globally Openly support defunding the police Your own officers in the city council yesterday said time and time again the police are asked to do too much so you agree with the prerequisites of defunding the police but your actions have shown completely otherwise Disappointingly, I’ve heard countless times by some on this panel and our own city council members saying that George Floyd’s death is only by a few bad actors and won’t happen in Fremont, but I encourage you to reach out to Minneapolis police and ask if they ever thought their police was capable of murder Be proactive before even reacting is too late Minneapolis tried a lot of provisions and a can’t wait after the murder of Philando Castile, and ultimately they have ended up defunding the police This movement is inevitable and this is the way forward You can either be a leader or stand on the wrong side of history, and Lily Mei show your people, the people that put you in that office, show them the same amount of support that you’ve shown Ilon Musk I yield my time – Thank you Next is he Kiki We’re gonna go to the next now ’cause we’re having a technical issue Pallavi – [Pallavi] Yeah, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can – [Pallavi] All right, thank you so much for taking my questions here As a resident of Fremont for so, I’d like to send my warm wishes to all of our black community members, and that we here, and we are with you Thanks to the Mayor Lily Mei and our Chief Peterson for doing this My ask for Chief police officer here is let’s look at our Fremont Police Department’s investments and reshape them Also, this is for Mayor Lily Mei, about it can’t wait, we only have two of the components enabled for Fremont, it would be really great to know what our plans are as a city to align ourselves to all of the eight components

and make that more transparent and figure out what it is that we need to do as a community Thank you – Thank you Next is Priya – [Priya] Hi, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Priya] Okay, so I have a few questions Yesterday Chief Peterson said that it would be dangerous to send social workers to handle cases that are related to homelessness because a lot of these cases turn out to be violent and social workers aren’t trained to de escalate and they don’t work 24 seven but what if we create new programs that allow this to happen and why are we limiting our change? And also, why do you believe that an SRO is better equipped to handle cases of child abuse or potential suicide risks than teachers, counselors and school psychologists? I yield the rest of my time, thank you – Thank you It looks like next we have a phone call The last three digits of the number 291 – [Caller] Hi, thank you for taking my call, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Caller] Awesome So I’m a Fremont resident and I wanted to thank the organizers of this virtual session and I’d also like to thank the Fremont police for the work that they do As a Muslim living in America I can relate to how the police may be feeling where the actions of a few are associated with the entire community So please don’t be disheartened by that But I would like to ask a question following this comment which is, I would like to better understand this police culture of drawing a virtual blue line where no matter what the cost is police officers often defend each other and feel that unity are against each other or that no matter what happens the police must defend whatever another policeman has done, whether it’s right or wrong So, if you could please talk a little bit about the past, in terms of where this culture has come from and what this culture means – Thank you Next is Lisa Danz – [Lisa] Hi I first off, I agree with those speakers who have been asking to defend the police, and I agree with the concern that reform is not working And I agree with the speaker who was talking about other professionals who might be able to do their job better in specific situations such as in schools and when working with our unhoused community And I’d like to ask a question which is a follow up about the police records that were purged So, I work with computers for a living and I absolutely understand that data is expensive, and that means that it can’t stay around forever, but that doesn’t explain why that 10 to 25 year old data that doesn’t contain Body cam data because the body cam data is new, had to be purged before it was made public The public can do your data retention job for you if you make that data public first, so I think that’s why we’re thinking that it looks a little bit more like it was hiding the data to cover it up So I’d like. (voice fades out) Thanks – Thank you Next is Bob Bynum Bob Bynum – [Bob] I’m here Hello – We can hear you – [Bob] Okay To those who say we need to defund the police, I say we need to radically increase the funding of the police I realize the need for social workers, but I think this is business a defunding the police is dangerous And I think that we need to increase police funding, maybe in improve training But this business of defunding the police is dangerous And maybe we need to improve abilities to take down suspects But some of these people who are getting killed by police have done something aggressive to provoke the police

I mean, police can only withstand a certain amount of stress before they crack Well, that’s my input – We appreciate that Bob and I’m pretty I sure recognize that voice from coffee with the cop, so thank you for being here tonight Next we have Radha We’re gonna go to a phone number instead, the last three numbers are 557 557 are the last three numbers of the phone – [Lawrence] Hi, yes, my name’s Lawrence, I appreciate the opportunity to speak with Mayor Mei and those from the police department, Chief Peterson and Captain Sean Washington First I have a quick question I know that change, positive change, usually starts from the top, right, and with a big group, for example Fremont citizens and Fremont PD leaders I know that there’s a community advisory group within Fremont PD, I just learned today that some of these members have been there for quite some time I was hoping that maybe we could, for example, just like I think you mentioned Chief Peterson, the department’s records retention which needed updating, if we could possibly have an update to that community advisory group, the way that members are selected and appointed I heard that there’s no openings currently, and definitely interested in that I myself being currently involved in community policing as a police officer as well in the Bay Area – Thank you, you’re time is up We do appreciate your input and willingness – If I could just jump in real quick Chief I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about our advisory groups The purpose of that group, the composition event group just for the callers We’ve had a few folks inquire about that over the last couple of days and I think it’d be good to kind of explain the purpose and intent behind it Sorry, I think you’re muted Chief – You’d think with all this time with the Zoom, I would have figured this out by now, but sorry about that Chief Steckler actually started that about 20 years ago, and there are some members that, some of the original members are still on the group when I took over the role of the Chief in 2018 One of the first things we did as a group is talk about what is our mission, what are our goals, what is the purpose of this group? And what we worked on together, and of course I don’t, I’m gonna pull it up I’m going to pull it up so I can read it to you ’cause I don’t wanna get any of the words out of place So the purpose of the CAG or the community advisory group is to bring together a representative cross section of community perspectives to serve in an advisory capacity to the Chief of Police by providing input on policy issues, department direction, and prioritization Boards members also facilitate two way communication between the Fremont Police Department and those we serve So, basically, one of the things after we worked on our mission and our purpose statement is we said okay, who are we and who do we represent? Everybody is a member of several different groups within a community I’m of course a representative of law enforcement, but I’m also a mom, for example So we did that exercise and we said, okay, where are the gaps? And so from that we decided we really needed to fill some of the gaps, and so we looked at people who might be able to help us fill those gaps, we added some members of the African American community, we added some members of the Asian American community One area that we still believe is a gap is, we tried finding some members of the Sikh community, and that hasn’t worked out, we need to continue some work on that and I would eventually like to see us add members of student community But over the course of these last few weeks we’ve had a lot of interactions with members of the youth community and I’m kind of rethinking that, and I think that I’m considering actually looking at more of a youth board that we could do a standalone Board of youth So, anyway, now I’m going off on a tangent Hopefully that covered that question – Thank you Chief We’ll move on with a few more speakers and then we may have another question that is a common theme that our. (voice distorting) – So our next speaker

is Pastor David Kayumy If you can unmute, there you go – [David] Yes, can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [David] Awesome Yes, my name’s Pastor David Kayumy, and my main topic that I wanted to discuss was, I think that we need to come together, talking to each other, whether you’re on the side of your police officer or city official or if you’re on the side of your community member I consider myself a leader within the community to build bridges between groups that might have opposing viewpoints and I feel like we need to develop empathy more than anything else, for each other and to realize that both sides see each other as the hero in their story and this story is a story of two groups of heroes that need to come together and change society for the better So I think that listening to each other and trying to make sure that we’re not trying to combat each other, that’s the only way that any side will listen, if I’m talking to you, and I’m talking to you – Thank you, you’re time is up Next, we have Salvatore Grillo – [Salvitore] Hi, yeah Yes, can you hear me? – Yes – Okay, cool So Captain Washington mentioned that there have been a few bad apples that spoil the police name Police departments have very much, you have my back, I have yours mentality that really disincentives members from speaking up dried out bad faith officers This reminds me of something that I read that says, if you have 1,000 good cops and 10 bad ones, if the good ones say nothing it’s the same as having 1,010 bad ones because their complacency allows for poor behavior to be upheld As someone that was a part of the Fremont police explorers program from 2015 to 2016, I can personally attest to seeing some of this mentality within Fremont police department How will you make changes to solve this problem, and when should we expect to see them implemented? I yield the rest of my time – Thank you Next is Jennifer Fong – [Jennifer] Yes, hi, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Jennifer] Okay, so I have a couple of questions in regards to all of this First and foremost, I am a citizen of Fremont, I lived here basically my entire life, so this is a very important community to me and my questions will be regarding the SRO program There are three main questions First one is will the SRO program in our high schools continue despite cities like Minneapolis, Portland and Denver beginning to terminate contrast the police departments in exchange for their SRO programs more social programs are being introduced, such as counselors, therapists and other social workers? My second question is, if you will not terminate the SRO program, what policies will you implement in order to reduce the disproportionate amount of black and Latino student intervention? My last question is a bit more on the citywide scale What policies will be introduced in order to restore public trust in police on a citywide scale Pulling statistics from the Department of Justice database, California with the arrest database, and other publicly available database to the black and Latino populations of Fremont are under 20%, but the combined arrest make up 47% and the people killed or seriously injured by police make up 72% That is a very high number considering the low population amount – Next is Frederick Kautz – [Frederick] Hello I would like to urge you as the leader of the police force to help get involved, or to get involved with reforms that gives better visibility into the police forces throughout the United States and to also be a leader towards implementing procedures and policies that help with good alignment ’cause I think part of the problem that we’re seeing here is that the system has been aligned in such a way to help cover up behavior that is considered to be unacceptable and creates this environment, and by helping provide change and be the leader in that space, it not only builds trust within our own community but helps build trust throughout the entire nation with those types of actions I yield the rest of my time, thank you – [Sean] Geneva, if I could jump in This is another topic as far as reform policies and procedures and the community concerns,

so I was hoping Pastor Murphy, if you could take a moment from that African American perspective, or from the just the community perspective as a whole, provide your thoughts on what it is that, some thoughts of the community on how we can start to initiate reform and justice throughout policies and procedures as we move forward, what are some of the thoughts, concerns, and ideas that you or members of your church may have? – Yeah, so I’ll just quickly share, again, a lot of people have been having this conversation for a long time, the African American community There’s two prerequisites The first prerequisite is that there is an openness and a willingness on behalf of leadership within the police department to have honest conversations to take a look at hard data and some transparency And so there has to be that desire and that intentionality from the police The second part has to be, I think, a really willingness to have intelligent conversation, more than platitudes or extremes, whatever the term you wanna use Defunding or reforming, it doesn’t matter The reality is that we have to have real subsitive conversations about interactions, and the function and priorities of the police department The people I’ve been talking to have laid out a four part framework that use the acronym HEAT and it addresses a lot of the questions that I’m seeing pop up It’s questions around hiring, the equipment that’s used, processes for accountability and transparency and training procedures HEAT, hiring, equipment, accountability, training And so if we take all of these opinions, look at a framework that has real conversation and talks about what are the areas where the police are equipped and the best resources, and what are the places where we can build up other community resources or alternatives that don’t necessarily use those valuable resources, where there’s other community resources available So I’m personally less interested in kind of these inflammatory statements and getting down to a real structure, strategic approach to deal with the issues, look at the data and come up with solutions that makes sense and then fund them appropriately – Thank you Brian I appreciate that respect, I’m sure your community does as well Okay, Geneva, you wanna take a few more questions? – Sure Next we have Joyce – [Joyce] Hi there – [Geneva] Hi Joyce – [Joyce] So, according to data from, a black person in Fremont today is almost 13 times more likely to have deadly force used on them than a white person Why are we increasing funding for a department that is not doing a good job at protecting all of their people? Why are we putting our trust in a department that according to keikyued, secretly destroyed decades of police misconduct files from prior to 2018? We cannot reform or use money to improve or put a bandaid on a policing system created by America almost 200 years ago to oppress minorities We need the budget to be reconsidered and for a portion of the money going to Fremont PD right now, which is almost a whopping half of the general fund and that portion of that money to be redistributed to community services so they can help prevent the conditions of poverty that would otherwise lead to crime We need to divest in the police and invest in nonviolent alternative emergency response programs that aren’t systemically racist I yield my time – Thank you, Joyce Next is Izabella Hintzman – [Izabella] Hello, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Izabella] Thank you Hi, my name is Bella Hintzman, pronouns, she her hers I’m a recent graduate of Kennedy and a registered voter To go off the pastor’s point, I agree with the need for empathy I have white privilege, I speak out of empathy for the black community and other marginalized groups We need to defund the police and reallocate that money towards Human Services, reallocate to affordable housing for the homeless or at risk populations, invest in non violent trained responders and not the systemically racist institution that continues to oppress and murder minorities We need funding to go to drug rehab, mental health services and Youth Services Diversity trainings are not enough Your performative band aids lack actual solutions to these community issues Does the city of Fremont want to be contributing to the nationwide injustice against black people in America, or do we want to be setting an example in systemic reformation? Please pursue defunding of the police

Thank you, I yield my time – Thank you for your comments Next we have a speaker with the initials HK – [HK] Hi As the pastor said, this is not a rogue agent problem It is systemic Individual officers may be good, but our police system is corrupt I wholeheartedly refute Bob Bivens points, tasers are just as good as guns to subdue violent suspects and we are not Soviet Russia, cops should not be able to kill with impunity, especially at a 13 times rate to black people in Fremont We need accountability and we need to be better How can we give 48% of our city’s funding to police when my old high school teachers couldn’t even live in Fremont, they had to buy their own supplies? They’re fully funding the police and they’re not funding education enough We need to focus on rehabilitation, we need to divert funding from the Fremont police department and put it into mental health services and education As Fremont, we’re meant to be progressive and we can make the world a better place I yield my time – Thank you Thank you I think, Sean, if you don’t mind me interjecting, I would like to ask our city manager, Mark Danaj, if you can hear me, I’m sure there We’ve had a couple of questions tonight about the city’s budget, specifically with regards to funding for the Fremont police department Would you be willing to take a few minutes and recap some of what was shared last night during the council meeting? – Yeah, absolutely, thank you So our police department budget for next fiscal year is approximately $95 million But before I even put that in context, remember that means a whole host of folks, and the majority of that is on salaries, but the salaries are not necessarily all sworn police officers with firearms We have a very diversified police department, from a disciplinary perspective as well So we, unlike other police departments, we use an inordinate amount of community service officers, we have clerical support, we also have analytical support so non sworn analysts that help provide intelligence policing and a variety of programs to reduce crime, both in schools and in our classrooms So we don’t just use officers, sworn peace officers with firearms, which is still an important part of policing But even in that context, 95 million is roughly 44% of our general fund as one of the speakers have noted We also have to remember that our city budget is more than the general fund The general fund is about 214 million, but our total annual budget is over 520 million dollars, almost a half a billion dollars, focusing on a whole host of things, including the general fund or the special service funds, other capital improvement projects like building community centers, and a whole host of different activities So, I understand the point that just trying to focus on the general fund but this is a city that employs just over 1,000 employees, and is gonna spend next year, over $520 million on this community And in that context, the police department, that is not just police officers, represents a little less than 20 or approximately $18 million of that, so That’s not to say we can’t have a community conversation to do that differently, but I just wanna make sure we sort of ground ourselves where we are, it doesn’t diminish the idea of perhaps putting different teams together And that’s important to understand too that we also have a human services department that makes us very unique in the municipal world, no cities in California and across the country don’t have Human Services Department, they focus on social service activities, whether it’s providing rental assistance or access to mental health services, food programs in a variety of different activities And in addition to that, as we talked about last night and maybe we can even delve into it a little further with our Human Services Director, we work really hard to set up multi departmental teams with different disciplines So it’s not just officers that are going out and trying to help our homeless people It’s officers along with a counselor, and they both learn from each other and they both provide a higher level of service, whether it was a counselor going out or a social worker by themselves, or vice versa for a police officer to do that as well So I thought I would just provide a,

I’m glad to provide a little more context of that That doesn’t mean we can’t talk about doing it differently That’s what the annual budget process is all about and that’s what community engagement around a budget process is, but I do want everyone to understand that the police department only represents 18% of the 500 plus million dollars that we’re going to spend next year on our community And of that 18%, it’s not all police officers – Thank you for that And just a reminder that our entire budget document can be found on our website at, and we’re happy to help anyone who’s looking for that to get them the URL And we could possibly even post it tonight after the meeting And so let’s move to our next speaker Next we have DJ – Sorry Geneva, just to interrupt, sorry – [Geneva] Yes, go ahead – Just one more ad I want to point to I also want to be very clear that the new fiscal year budget that was approved and will go into effect in July, did not add more police officers, we haven’t added more police officers I believe for at least one or two fiscal years and even at that it was one or two So, the additions that are made in the police department and frankly, the very few additions that this budget can afford because we’re dealing with the aftermath of the COVID crisis and we are frankly still in, not aftermath, we had to bridge a $10 million budget to close out our current fiscal year, and we had to bridge a $12 million budget, or excuse me deficit for both, deficit this fiscal year, and a $12 million deficit going into this new fiscal year So this budget is not filled with choices of adding things, this budget is filled with a whole host of difficult choices to defund a variety of activities, and to the point that the, especially in the general fund that the PD represents a large portion, there are significant cuts in the police department as well, most notably on overtime, which will limit some of our ability but the deficits were big enough that everybody has to play a part and especially some of the larger departments, whether they be police or fire, have to play, at least their proportional part So, the police department’s budget is not filled with additions, they’re actually filled with some significant reductions But the additions that have been talked about are a permit parking program that we’re initiating in a variety of parts in the city to protect our residents, and it’s not only neighborhoods, it’s also some local train stations and areas where our employees commute to and from work without having to drive And it’s a program that we’re initiating only this year for the mere fact that it’s going to be able to more than pay for itself This budget does not have anything in it unless it’s somehow going to pay for itself just given the difficult position that we were in and we’re gonna have to monitor this budget more closely than ever before to see if our projections can hold and if they can’t, there may be even more significant reductions mid year Conversely, to the extent the economy perhaps comes back faster than we’re anticipating or that our revenues are not gonna fall as much as they have, it will be an opportunity for the City Council to reinvest those dollars in the things that were used before, or perhaps in other things as well So again, just information backing, it’s not suggesting that we can’t have community conversations about using money differently – We really appreciate you taking the time to go into that level of depth and for those that joined in last night, it’s I think worth sharing that our meeting last night had the most attendees for a budget discussion that we’ve ever had I believe we had over 500 participants in the Zoom meeting last night and so this is clearly an important topic for our community and so thank you for going into that level of detail And again we’re happy, yes – And just to add on that, you just triggered another thought for me We work very hard every year to get community engagement in the budget process For better or for worse, we live in a world that we have lived in worlds that we perceive that we’re busy with our family or the pursuit of our individual education, or our careers or whatever it may be So it’s typically very difficult to engage a community in a significant way on a budget process even though we work very hard to do that, whether it’s annual scientific community surveys, or statistically valid surveys, holding traditional community meetings We’ve had a product up for a few years called open City Hall, which is essentially

an online civic engagement tool, where people can use their phones and they can engage with us, it’s disappearing in my background, but they can use their mobile devices to engage with us on the topics that are important to them when they want to do it, whether it’s after putting children to bed or finishing homework or getting up early after a run So this is very committed to civic engagement, and I would just frankly say given the events of the last few weeks, we now have a whole new group of people who frankly may have a different opinion and frankly may be more interested in engaging in civic government, and how we prepare our budgets and we look forward to inviting and engaging with all those whether they’re the people who engaged before, or if this is a whole new group of people, because there’s some serious events are now interested in it That’s good for us That’s part of the process, that’s part of democracy, and that’s part of what administrative people like me and department heads, we dedicate our lives to So we look forward to the engagement that people wanna have – I can definitely concur with that DJ Alex Reyes, you are our next speaker You have to unmute yourself There you go – Can you hear me? – Yes we can hear you – [DJ] Yes, good evening I just wanted to say publicly and openly that I fully support the Fremont Police Department 100%, actually correcting, 1,000% I know every police department’s not perfect, I know every police department in the agency has problems with violence and other stuff, but I fully support the men and women of Fremont PD And we must find a way to have great community relations with the community and business owners and other members of the community to coexist as one Police officers work for us, and we’ve worked for them, so we always watch out for one another And like I said, I fully support the entire Fremont police from Captain Sean Washington to Chief Peterson, to the city manager, to everybody involved So thank you all so much for doing a great job, and I yield the rest of my time – Thank you Alex We’re going to take another caller and then we’re gonna move to some chat, we know that we have a lot of people sending us messages in our chat group So Samuel Lucero, you are next – [Samuel] Hello, can you hear me? – Yes, we can hear you – [Samuel] Hi, I’m not a native to Fremont, I moved here a couple years ago from a very red, very rural state And I have to say for a city with both a female police chief and a female Mayor, that this is a very unprogressive City to be in To have the audacity to spend over half the budget on police and at the same time refused to kneel in solidarity for victims of murder, is frankly a little bit insulting And I have to I just have to voice my disappointment in the current state of things Over the past two weeks, 2,000 cases of coronavirus pop up every single day, Alameda County just went past 4,000 cases and is one of two counties to have over 100 deaths, and this lack of action on part of the government is not helping, not at all People are gonna continue protesting, people are gonna continue calling for change until you actually bring that change about So I’m just calling for you guys, please make that positive change for our community It’s dying for you I yield my time – Thank you Samuel And as mentioned, we are now going to move into chat Let’s see, got quite a few comments in here Just one second And this question is from AJ He is asking, has the police department looked at the website, If not, please do so as the items that are listed there are what the country is asked to implemented? Thank you for that comment and question I do believe that we are looking at that And the next question is, what is the use of force policy for the city of Fremont? – Yes Geneva, are you asking me to answer, or? – It would be if you would be willing to step in – Sure, on that campaign zero, we only recently became aware of that,

just recently within the last few days, so actually I’ve asked my staff to look into that so that we can have a better understanding of what’s in there, so we have some work to do on that to better understand the methodology that they used As far as the use of force This is a very long policy, so I’m not gonna read you the entire thing But I do wanna hit some highlights First of all, we talk about the sanctity of life, that is one of the most important things in our policies that we see the sanctity of life as central to all of these things and all uses of force We have a duty to intercede We have a duty to report if you see unreasonable force And that has been in, I don’t know how long this has been in, as long as I’ve been an officer both of those things have been in there, that is not new I will just read you a little bit because it’s like a 15 page policy, but kind of the heart of it Officers shall use only that amount of force that reasonably appears necessary given the facts and totality of the circumstances, known to or perceived by the officer at the time of the event to accomplish a legitimate law enforcement purpose So that’s just regular use of force, okay? The reasonableness of force will be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene at the time of the incident, any evaluation of reasonableness must allow for the fact that officers are often forced to make split second decisions about the amount of force that reasonably appears necessary in a particular situation with limited information and in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving What’s important to know is that this is based on law, this is exact language in the law We talk about use of force to effect an arrest and reasonableness of force, we go through that and you can find this on our website If you go to our transparency page, and you look for our transparency page, you will find our training documents and this policy is our training manual and this is policy number 300 So you can read through this thing yourself So, I don’t wanna read all 15 pages of this thing Let me move to the deadly force portion though ’cause I need to read that to you Oh, we have suspended the use of the carotid hold, effective last Saturday, and that essentially brings us in compliance with eight of the eight Can’t wait campaign And we just recently released the eight, our response to the eight Can’t wait campaign and you can read that again on our Twitter page or on our website Deadly force is only justified in the following circumstances And this is based directly on the penal code, A35A To defend against an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or to another person To apprehend a fleeing person for any felony that threatened or resulted in death or serious bodily injury, if the officer reasonably believes that the person will cause death or serious bodily injury to another, unless immediately apprehended Where feasible, a peace officer shall prior to the use of force make reasonable efforts to identify themselves as a peace officer and to warn that deadly force may be used, unless the officer has reasonably or has objectively reasonable grounds to believe the person is aware of those facts And just a couple of points on accountability and then I’ll wrap it up Anytime there is any use of force in our department, a sergeant is required to respond to the scene if available If they’re not available or if they’re involved in it, an outside sergeant will review that use of force So the sergeant who reviews the use of force cannot have been involved in the use of force itself, nor in the decision to use force So, another Sergeant has to come in, review the use of force, they of course speak briefly to the officers, the witnesses, they speak to the person upon whom the force was used, if possible, sometimes the person for example can be extremely intoxicated, that is something that happens on occasion But they make an attempt to talk to them In addition, they review all body worn camera, in car camera or any video evidence And then they make an initial assessment to determine whether it’s within policy or not And then they push that to a lieutenant level who is a subject matter expert That subject matter expert piece is new The lieutenant level review is not new, but the subject matter expert pieces is new We want subject matter experts for consistency so that we have the experts in whatever area that is reviewing it, and so that also we can learn from what is happening on the street

If we see issues happening over time, then we can take that issue and we can train it So that is a piece of our accountability And then of course we have two internal affairs investigators, oh I’m sorry, the use of force report is also reviewed at the captain’s level If there are complaints, or if there are issues, we push it to internal affairs for a full investigation and we accept complaints from any source, including anonymous and we take all of those complaints seriously and we’ll investigate them Okay, I’ve taken up too much time Supposed to be listening – I think that was very helpful and answered a lot of questions Chief, thank you We’re gonna go back to our speakers, take a few more of these Sarah Gauthier – [Sarah] Hello, can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [Sarah] All right, awesome All right, so I’ve lived in Fremont my whole life and I’m a city employed, and when we’re saying defund the police we’re not asking for no law enforcement, what we’re asking for it to not exist as we know it today Policing was never intended to fix all of our societal failures, crime is predictable Many of the issues that officers face would be fixed with a reallocation of the nine point, sorry, 96.5. million that you’re putting into militarizing Fremont PD, into community programs that will present these crimes that many people feel that we need protection from This money should go towards resources such as mental health, homelessness and most importantly our schools We need to move into the future, not work to preserve archaic dysfunctional services Thank you, I yield my time – Thank you Next is Yu – [Yu] Hi, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Yu] I just want to ask how body cameras would be enforced for police and if there are any legal ramifications for police members if they were to turn off the body cameras when an incident occurs And that’s my only question – Thank you Chief, would you like to talk about body cameras? – Yeah if I can unmute myself Yes, so body cameras, they’re required to be worn when you walk outside the building, they’re required to be on So they have to be powered on while you are out in the street working When you come in station is the only time you can power them off and the reason for that is because you come into the station to use the locker room, use the restroom, so we need those cameras powered off in those private spaces But when you walk out and you go out to do your job, those cameras need to be on When I say powered on, that doesn’t mean it is recording, although it is recording silently in the background, so it’s got a loop on it I don’t know how many hours it’s constantly recording, but you are required to turn it on when you are going to a call, before you get there if possible, or when you’re having any sort of work interaction So you’re not required to turn it on and start the active record when you’re having coffee and somebody comes up and chit chats with you But if somebody runs up to you and says, Hey, something’s breaking into my car, you are required to turn that on, you have to have turned it on before you get to a call Remember, it is always silently recording in the background, when you turn it on, it also turns on the audio, and then it will upload that piece that got recorded But there are times where you don’t realize and you don’t turn it on For example, if you get in a car crash It also turns on when you turn your lights on, so it’ll start recording then So for example, you get in a car crash and you hadn’t turned it on Well now, if you turn your lights on it will activate the active record, the sound will begin to record, and then when you get back to the station that segment will upload and you can tag it But also you can look backwards because it has that silent record in the background – Thank you Chief Next is May – [May] Yes, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [May] Yes, second for the panelists and hosting this meeting, I think that I am a resident of Fremont for almost 20 years First I want to remind everybody, we’re so fortunate, our Fremont is one of the safest city around, and then that doesn’t happen by accident We have very strong Police Department and very strong community So I think that we’re fortunate but we do say there’s always improvement for any department

So I think that this time I will vote for increase the budget, not decreasing, because given the tragic event happened around the world, around the country We need more funds to educate, to train officers to reach out to communities to solve the issue So I yield my time So I oppose to the decreasing the funding We should keep the funding, only increase – Thank you I’m going to move to our next speaker, Nancy – [Nancy] Hello, can you hear me? Hello, can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [Nancy] Okay, cool Hi, I’m a Fremont voter and taxpayer I’m deeply saddened by the defund police discussion This remind me of California proposition 47 That some people think of saving money, our state prison and diverting funds to social programs will improve safety for our society, but you can see after four years with increase in auto burglary, armed robbery and home invasion, Fremont is no longer a city that I used to live in, Whenever I go shopping I have to make sure not to leave anything valuable in the car or not bring a purse in case of grab and go Under current situation, if we continue defund the police, who will protect us? I think right now the most important things are gun control and legalizing drugs, are major issue for this country, not the police officer Defunding the police without a contiguous plan to protect the people will be a complete disaster And the society will become chaotic and lawless All life matters, they should stand united against the crime, not the police – Chakshu Hurria – [Chakshu] Hi, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Chakshu] Okay Is there a detailed expense report available to the public? I think, pointed out the general fund versus other funds that they’d issue, if there were more transparency and citizens could actually understand our budget, I think we’d have a lot less questions So I’m really demanding a detailed expense report Moving on, I have a few questions about police misconduct The first question is, is there a public record of officers prior misconduct? Second, moving into internal investigations for example that the sheriff mentioned for the use of force I read online that there’s a policy that disqualifies civilian complaints in the Fremont Police Department manual resulting in discipline if the police take longer than one year to complete the misconduct investigation This inherently undermines accountability and incentivizes internal investigating units to drag out investigations against ethics and civilian injustice Can you respond to that? Thank you – Thank you for your comments Next is Paul Kim Paul Kim Paul We’re going to move to a phone number The last three are 604 for our next caller – [Caller] Yes, my name is (voice distorting) and I attend South Bay Community Church Pastor Murphy is my pastor And regarding police reform and accountability It’s very critical and we need to disband the idea and the practice of qualified immunity for police officers, which is the extreme difficulty in charging police officers with the death of people, more often black men in the custody of the police officer And I don’t know, in many cases, when people like Breonna Taylor, are not in the custody of a police officer This is a practice and I believe it’s a law that really needs to be changed, and included in our police reform Qualified immunity Thank you – Thank you Our next caller, we still have Paul Kim Is Paul Kim The next caller has the last three digits of 954

– [Kiki] Hi, I am Kiki Can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Kiki] Hello, I just like to reiterate that defunding does not mean we will not be protected And the way to make sure that our community is provided for and is safe, your property safe, our lives are safe is to make sure that everybody has enough in their life to live Nobody’s stealing your car if they have their own, nobody is stealing your food when they’re not hungry So we need to seriously move the budgets into our community I have grown up in Fremont and I live here, and I don’t make enough to live on my own in Fremont, so please, I know that you have spoke about the budget not being as much as we think, but you can do better as the police The police is rooted as a slavery catch, thank you – We are including a link on both Facebook and the Zoom right now for a direct link to our budget, so hopefully you’ll see that up there shortly Next is Vivek – [Vivek] Yeah, hi So I actually wanted to talk about establishing a citizen oversight board for the Fremont police Right now there’s absolutely no organization that actually disciplines Fremont police officers in case of an external organization that establishes any kind of discipline or investigation This has been precedent in many other cities, including Chicago, Washington DC Many of these cities have elected citizen oversight boards, I see no reason why we shouldn’t have this implemented in Fremont, it provides more accountability, and I think we should do this in the meantime while defunding the police is happening in the background Thank you and I actually wanna yield the rest of my time to Chief Peterson if she would like to answer the question about what Chakshu asked a little earlier – Thank you We were just informed that Paul Ken is having some issues with his speaker and so Paul, if you would like to send us a message through chat, and we will try to find that and make it Oh, here it is, okay This is from Paul Ken, this is in our chat First, the campaign zero statistic about disproportionate treatment of black people is based off a tiny sample size of five interactions, that is too small Second, what exact conduct does the public want to change, stating we need to make the police less, sorry, less racist, it’s too ambiguous of a goal? Thank you The next we’re gonna take a phone call So the last three of the phone number is 313 – [Radha] Can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [Radha] Okay, hi, thank you mayor and council member My name is Radha Sharma and I’m speaking as a private citizen I am a resident of Fremont, and as an Indian American woman, I have only positive experiences with the police However, as these national protests have shown, that isn’t the experience that everyone has had in America I feel that this is an okay first step to have a workshop, but we are missing major players from the conversation We’re missing the city attorney, the district attorney and public defender’s office And where are the rest of the council members? I fully support Black Lives Matter, and there are no two sides to racism, racism is wrong period I would like to have concrete steps established to defund the police in Fremont and focus more on the community and how we can help our residents all around Thank you – Thank you Next is Shayna Kothari – [Shayna] Hi, okay So, as a resident of Fremont, and someone who’s lived here my entire life and voted here Fremont desperately needs to be more equal place, that’s something that I realized as I was growing up here There are vast amounts of inequality and income

and opportunities just across different areas of our city Homelessness in Fremont has increased by 27% since 2017, meanwhile police budgeting has increased from 37% at the city general fund, and I’m using the general fund because it’s a little difficult to figure out what proportion of the total budget it is, in 2015 to 16, to 43% in 2019 to 20 and a projected 46% from 2022 to 2023 What are the reasons for this increase and why can’t we put that percentage of our budget towards increase in social services, decreasing in equity, instead of towards increased funding for police? What are our tax dollars going towards and why are we increasing funding for the police instead of decreasing it? Thank you, and I yield my time – Thank you Just as a time check, it’s 7:26, we still have some participants that are in here with some questions, we’re gonna try to get through some more of these Henry Laing – [Henry] Can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [Henry] Yeah, thank you for the Oh, I just wanted to remind actually those participant here is, (voice fades out) the 2018 Based on the data, Fremont has three murders, 55 rapes, 216 robbery and 228 assault And as far as based on my research, majority of the crime actually commit by non residents of the Fremont I’m not sure actually is the solution defunding actually will help, and also increase a social service will help because majority, it was not committed by actually our resident That’s my point, thank you, I yield my time – Thank you Next is Laura Chen – [Laura] Hi, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Laura] Hi, so I have a couple of questions One of them is will you please commit to saving the questions that don’t get answered in this town hall and publish your comments on them publicly? Also, will you commit to providing a detailed police budget and the proposed operating budget including breakdown by type of officer which Mark did not answer? Also, Council member Sean mentioned last night that the budget is open to change during the fiscal year, so will the city council commit to reevaluating the budget every three to six months with public input? And finally, I would like to point out that you’ve been answering the questions from some of the citizens calling in but not from others, so I’d like to echo Chakshu’s question on why we have this policy that disqualifies complaints from citizens if they’re not responded to within a year? ‘Cause that seems like a pretty important loophole Thank you – Thank you Next is Michael – [Michael] Can you hear me? – [Geneva] We can hear you – [Michael] Thank you very much I would like to state that I’d like to support the police department, they’re in a very difficult situation that they never anticipated But we also need to understand that, well Police Department has your regional complex issues, every police officer wearing a badge is amplified throughout the country, what they do on one coast is absolutely amplified to a police department on another coast and everything in between And we have to be aware of that and come up with a statement Chief, you need to get out there on CNN and publicly state that this will never happen Thank you very much, I yield my time and look forward to working with you in the future Goodbye – Thank you We’re gonna take just a couple of more, it’s 7:30 right now Melissa Lin – [Melissa] Okay Basically this is a call out post for that one dude bog, and everyone else who thinks the police’s are for money Defunding the police isn’t actually about eliminating them, but about recognizing the role they play in society as one that they should have never even been given and definitely shouldn’t continue to have in the first place Our country has basically taken all of our most pressing social issues and handed them over to the police to have them fix them with force We’re facing a crisis with affordable housing, drugs, public education and so many more

Defunding the police is about actively recognizing that if we took away from the police every public issue that they never should have been given to fix, that the police would literally have nothing to do because we basically made them glorified social workers with guns **** y’all and I yield my time – Next we have a caller with the last three of 387 – [John] John Himes I would like the chief to comment on some recent developments in Seattle, and how they might be instructive for us here What happened was it two days ago, a group of self filed revolutionaries took over several blocks of the city, including their precinct police station While the area often proclaim themselves to be an autonomous country Yesterday they were loudly touting the idea that they had become a police free zone, today the reports are that a fellow with a small armed gang behind him has begun setting himself up as sort of a warlord, and it’s become threatening and roughing up other residents of the zone So the question for the chief is, are there any lessons for us in this on what happens in a society that becomes a police free zone, how does that vacuum get filled? Thank you – Thank you Mayor Mei, can you hear me? Would you be able to weigh in on how schools are funded? There have been some questions tonight that we’ve heard, with regards to the funding of schools, can you explain that for us a little more? – Sure, so I’d be happy to send some documentation So just to first clarify, both myself and council member Shall have had the opportunity to serve both on the school board as well as now on City Council and the oversight for the schools is something entirely separate and so when many people are asking us also about the SROs, those are a contract coming from the school board and so if there was some concerns they should also feel free to express those to the school board themselves ’cause they’re the ones who are contracting the services with the city But the funding from the school board for the schools are coming in a separate bucket, in terms of the property taxes that go up to the state and then they’re allocated And during the time period I was there, they’ve modified some of the formula by which the schools are being funded and so it’s a little bit longer and more complex and for me to be able to go through right now, but needless to say it is entirely separate funding mechanism And so I’d be happy to provide those links and to be able to provide that detail to understand why these are separately governed entities, and that the fundings are not intermixed We could also then share, and I know Suzanne Shenfield is also on the line, that some of the information we mentioned earlier last night, I know that having served during a period when there was a lot of budgetary cuts, one of the programs that we did keep where the counselors at the schools And so, we’ll be able to provide some of those links and details into that information Thank you – Thank you Mayor Mei We’re gonna go into a few more questions, I think we’ll take about two more Nicole Lee – [Nicole] Hello, can you hear me? – [Geneva] Yes we can hear you – [Nicole] Hi, I’m Nicole and I’ve lived in Fremont my entire life Reform is not working and the funding that police currently has should be getting towards education for future generations just like me When we say defund the police, we do not mean advocate We actually do mean advocating for a divest and invest model where we instead use our funds for welfare services, social workers and homelessness and mental health programs We are not asking for the Fremont police to get off, to be stopped, but rather change how they enforce Lily Mei, I know you and I’m disappointed for not kneeling, you would have think that the discrimination that we have faced, used as scapegoats for COVID-19 would make you understand how the black community faces on a day to day basis All Fremont police officers must be held accountable for their fellow officers actions I yield my time, 1312 – Thank you And this is going to be our last Rup Jit Singh – [Rup] Hi, okay So, hi my name is Rup Jit Singh and I was born and brought up in Fremont, California I went to school here since kindergarten I mean, I just wanted to say the police is effective in a lot of ways, but in some ways it’s not always the case So I wanted to give an example from last year where there was a mentally ill young man, named Christian Madrigal, whose parents called

the Fremont police to help on June 10th, 2019 when he had a mental health crisis His family needed help to take him to a mental health facilities Instead police arrested him, and then they choked and beat him and he was taken to jail where he died So my question is, in some cases, isn’t it better that the police has a more narrow scope of function because in this case clearly this could have been avoided? And he had a mental health crisis and I just feel like our funds can be like allocated more effectively than they are right now Thank you very much, I yield my time – Thank you And we know that we have more attendees with some more questions and we ask that our attendees add their questions to the chat since we’re not going to be able to get through everybody’s comments and questions this evening, but we will review all of the questions in the chat and try to post answers in the upcoming days to all of those And with that, I am going to turn it back over to Captain Sean Washington – Thank you Geneva and thank you all for those comments Like Geneva said, we’re taking notes, and we will try our best to answer some of the comments, questions and concerns that you have We’re gonna end with some closing comments from our panel members, starting with Mayor Mei Mayor – Sure So thank you very much for everyone for taking the time to come and share your thoughts The purpose of today is only the beginning of the discussion, and that we’re hoping to be able to invite you to work with us as partners in the community to reimagine what our community policing will look like What we were hoping to do and we hope to continue to do is we wanna hear from you, we wanna hear your stories, and the reasons why that you are expressing your concerns and what you’d like to see in the partnership So I just wanted to say thank you again for the time, the video from today will be posted, and then we’ll be able to get more discussions and hopefully more community outreach in areas that would be of interest to all of you And in particular, I know some of the questions that have come up have pertained around health care and social services, and so I will be also reaching out to the county and other areas that do provide those services, and that we can maybe join in some additional dialogue to clarify where those programs are being funded and how we can work together to ensure that, whether it’s through measures or oversight, that we can have more of those services being delivered to South County, in particular to Fremont Thank you for your time – Thank you Mayor And no we’ll hear from our City manager, Mark Danaj – Yeah, I too wanna thank everybody who participated today and give you our commitment that we’ll do our best to answer any of the unanswered verbal questions, as well as those that had to be put in the chat And I think one of the reflections I’m taking away from this is the comment that Pastor Murphy said that I know it was his own thought as he was expressing it to us, but I think you can see it in the commentary and the questions that we’ve heard which is, this is something different Well, this is something our country has continued to talk about before in many times Somehow it is touching us even differently and to a greater degree for our own good, whether it’s in our country, or internationally So I really appreciate his participation and his sort of context setting that I think was reflected in a lot of the feedback we had, and the need to have an open and a conversation and a willingness to look at real data, a willingness to have an intelligent conversation where we don’t necessarily focus on inflammatory comments or frankly even platitude answers to some of those questions And so I look forward to learning more about that in moving this forward And again, I want to share with you that from the outset said that we weren’t going to figure this all out tonight, or at least I did, but that we’re gonna begin, this is the beginning of a conversation, and it’s one that we’re committed to facilitating, but at the same time it’s one that’s gonna require urgency and resolution, this isn’t something we’re going to just do over a period of time, it’s something we’re gonna have to start over a period of time and start delivering some new opportunities for the city, new opportunities for positioning this police department And then I also finally look forward to, perhaps some new people who are engaged in what our local government does and start playing a role in helping us decide how the city council should allocate these limited resources So thank you for everybody for your participation – Thank you City Manager

And now we’ll move on to Pastor Brian Murphy Brian – I’m excited about the comments that I’ve seen, issues around mental health, the militarization of police, the perception of a lack of transparency and accountability, our youth and children Great insights, great questions, tough things to wrestle through I would encourage us that the perseverance to stay with this conversation is what’s really critical My hope, and my fear is that it’s not 60 days from now when this is no longer in vogue or on the news that our enthusiasm about this issue and the need for this doesn’t wane And then the last comment I’ll echo something that the city manager said that we are in a situation of choosing priorities and money follows the priority, so what we really need is a conversation about our cultural and societal value There’s a quote that I’ll leave with that’s been said by, attributed to Gandhi, Jimmy Carter, several other people that “The measure, true measure of a society “is how we treat the most vulnerable and weak parts “of its citizens.” That’s the conversation that we really need to make a character and value decision around, and then our priorities flow from there And I’m glad to be part of the conversation – Thank you Brian, thank you for joining us today, it’s been really, really helpful Okay, we’ll conclude final comments with Chief Kimberly Peterson – Yeah, first of all we’re really sorry that we didn’t have the capacity to answer all of these questions There were hundreds of them and we really, as we said at the beginning, this was intended as a listening session, but I am going to tick through a couple of these that I can just hit really fast so that I can answer some of these I saw over and over Well first of all, we 100% did not choke or beat Christian Madrigal and we have video evidence The Eight Can’t Wait document, you can find that on Twitter or our website If officers are turning off body cameras, first of all, there are a couple of exceptions, for example, if they’re interviewing a victim of sexual assault who doesn’t want to be videotaped, we would turn it off However, to your point, if somebody was turning it off intentionally so that they weren’t recording whatever came next, we would investigate that and that is outside the policy and we would apply progressive discipline to that You asked if there was legal ramifications This is governed by policy and not by law Citizen complaints are always investigated within one year and we aim for 90 days Police unions are a separate entity from the police department and PD management in the sense that we can’t designate how they donate political contributions and of course that brings up a much larger conversation about political contributions that we can’t cover here Budget documents are available on our city website, and they do have in depth spending information on the city of Fremont, website Crime stats are on the police department’s website,, and we do not participate in the 1033 program, we do not accept military equipment, we do not accept military equipment, pardon me Okay, so I got through that list, I thought I could at least tick a few of those answers off for you I just wanna say that thank you and we are listening, and as some before me mentioned, this is really just the first in the conversation, it’s the first step It’s humbling and it’s difficult to hear some of this feedback but hearing tough feedback is an important part of trying to get better, and we want to be the best and so we need to hear this feedback so that we can look at where we can improve in the interest of serving our community to the best of our ability But we need to do more And so my commitment to you today is that this will not be the end of the process We need to hear more specifics, sort of like what Brian was talking about and coming up with an outline of what exactly is it you want more of or less of? What is the framework that we want to offer going forward? So that we can meet your needs if we are not reaching, if we’re not achieving that now So I think what we need to do is move forward and figure out how to get together with smaller breakout groups, I don’t think it will work with 450 people, we need to look at the various stakeholder groups So for example, we need to meet with the faith based groups, we need to meet with groups of Asian Americans, we need to meet with groups of African Americans People from different communities within our city

We need to hear directly from you So my commitment to you today is that we are gonna work on a process to set that up What would that look like to have those smaller conversations and how could we then work from there? So what I will commit to doing today is within the next six weeks coming back to you, I will work with some stakeholders within my community advisory group, within my agency, of course within city leadership, but we will also reach out to other community leaders and figure out what would that process look like I think the youth group would be an important piece of that And we will come up with that process and we’ll come back to you within six weeks to show you at least how that process will look of those smaller community conversations And then after we do those conversations, we will take that information and work to frame up what it is you would like to see done differently? Is it in our hiring, is it in our policy, is it in our training, what is it we can change so that we can move forward together? Thank you and very much appreciate the chance to connect with all of you – Thank you, Chief And once again, thank you to all of our panelists, thank you to our community, and thank you to all of those that are listening outside of our community for coming together and engaging in productive conversation about how we can affect change We’re gonna do our small part in Fremont to help lead the law enforcement profession as we move forward With that, Geneva, I’ll ask you if there are any final comments that you have before we conclude for tonight? – Just as a reminder, tonight’s meeting is being recorded and we will get that posted as quickly as we can to our YouTube channel and then we’ll try to get it onto our website, You can also watch it again on Facebook, and my final concluding comment is that the Zoom is working as best as it can, but I can’t wait until there’s an opportunity when the restrictions have been lowered and we can get back out in our community and have face to face conversations like we used to I mean, that’s the heart and soul of what our department has been about and I really look forward to that again in the future In the meantime, we’re gonna continue to be safe and use Zoom So again, appreciate everyone who joined us tonight – [Sean] Okay, good night everyone, please be safe