Implications of Social Media in China

you you welcome to Asia and review I’m so glad that you could join us this evening because we have an extraordinary program for you we’re going to be talking about social media in China and its implications and with us as a guest is this delightful lady sitting next to me miss young AE from Pacific forum ye it nice to have you here with us this evening good evening everyone it’s very nice to be here and as you’re going to learn throughout the course of this program ms young is an extraordinary expert on the topic of social media in China and even beyond that one one of the things that I’ve noticed is that that she really is a incredible visionary about where social media is likely to take China and the implications of social media so very very important program coming up for you which we think you’ll learn a lot from and enjoy in the process and so just by way of little introduction here you you are a Vaizey fellow at Pacific forum career honor of Admiral AC Admiral vasey bless his heart and um well let’s talk a little bit about for those folks in our audience who don’t know let’s talk about what what is social media I think social media and generally have two features one by its name is social is socializing its function and the other it’s high into activities and the third is I it’s digital so in general it includes internet forums facebook as well as Twitter but today probably we just narrow it down to Chinese version of Twitter okay and the Chinese version is called weibull Weibo okay we’ll get back into Weibo in a moment but in order to appreciate this hole penetration or development of social media in China I think it’s important that we talk first about kind of the development of the whole telecommunications industry in China so can you give our audience a kind of a thumbnail sketch of you know what that looks like I think the telecommunication industry developed really fast lon the side with the opening up McParland China and nowadays in China that penetration rate will be about fifty percent if you consider China is a country with 1.3 billion people you can imagine how big that big numbers yes and more than that the mobile internet sector it grows very fast and a lot of people not only educated male graduate students are equipped it with mobile phone I mean all works of I mean people with from all walks of life can use those mobile internet and have access to internet so it’s pretty impressive from my perspective I think it’s impressive from any perspective you start looking at those numbers and the penetration and so let’s um talk next about kind of somewhat of some of the unusual or did not unusual different characteristics of social media in China compared to perhaps what what our viewers are familiar with Facebook and Twitter here here in the United States and um actually social media the concept I mean the Twitter the concept twitter is originated from united states twitter is from united states but in China we have our own version of Twitter which is way below our 300 million users 300 million none so what are we looking at right now so this is the basic profile of tutors so you can see this is no this is like a Weibo profile it’s a weibull like everybody can see what everybody before you register go to your own personal profile this is a common profile so you can see the register right up is the registration where you need to type in your email address or password to get in that’s initially copy from traders okay okay let’s let’s go to our next illustration if we could okay so what is this so this kind of a unique function just happened in Chinese Way Ball as the emo motton come emoticon emoticon yeah difficult word i’m not even sure I’ve got it correct what accounts features I think nowadays the Chinese young people really love to use it emoticons to express their feelings there were more than 400 Monty cons in the database okay for those of you who are who are Americans

watching this or who use yahoo you’re probably familiar with many of these emoticons exactly yeah like yeah oozing okay okay let’s take a look at another another picture here and see what we’ve got okay what is this so this is the whole kind of hot of celebrity the regional idea is also from Twitter’s about verified accounts so if you are famous people and if you’re celebrities and you want your real status being shown online so you got verified first and this kind of the page is kind of categorize the celebrities by the specialty like you are from culture industry okay from Hollywood you’re from sports so whenever people want to follow you this is the database for them to check so this kind of database of all celebrities okay and they could they would be celebrities from from all walks of life yes no political figures yes okay okay let’s see what else we’ve got four hour so what is this is a kind of very funny unique features in wave was where is kind of matter reward system a reward system yeah it’s kind of we give you meadows so this is kind of meadows and we encourage you to tweet more to say more to participate more because by nature we are gamers and where everybody wants to win in this game but if you understand this is a game you kind of understanding the Chinese Way Ball but more than that actually this is also associated with some like brands so for example brands like nine nike nike nike yes okay nike is also associated with raw with way boss so for example if you retreat some events public’s eyes by nike you get rewards in the nike logo so it’s kind of like commercial event as well interesting interesting so you you combine the chinese love for playing video games with with the encouragement of tweeting and participating and so the idea is to get their different reward levels get fancier metals or more of them kind of like that because social media one they’re important characteristic is the socializing among your peers so when people go to your personal profile and see you got so many models and yourself probably we were proud of that okay status symbol right kind of like okay all right all right let’s see what what is the next one we have here okay what is this this kind of like a new concept adopted by Sigma which is the internet portal round by the way boy wait say that again slowly goes sing along sing along sing la is the company who round the way board biggest internet portal so kind of like Google would be in the US uh it’s more like like America Online okay all right so this is micro we say micro topics so if you want to if you want to go to see what the other people talking about in the society daily and what’s the most important topics nowadays in China you should go to this page and it will illustrate like on the right hand side you will see like how many people there’s a rank like one two three ok and the following Chinese cryptic probably you don’t understand but then you can see the numbers so you can see how many trees and how many people talking about this daily so you can see the hot topics immediately yes and they categorize from like live part political Foreign Affairs so basically it’s kind of a news civic gender is a news portal is all report by the people but talking about national fears daily affairs as well and you have you have reporters well we’ll get to that in a moment let’s see what else we have here for our audience in terms of them ok what is this this dark colored ok this is a typical personal Chinese treat or Chinese Way Ball profile it’s not my personal but it’s one of the personal and we have very personal each profile has a very personal profile like personal coverage so you can choose your very personalized templates so everybody wants to be different in the way ball profile so you can choose this is a very typical I know we’re going to talk about censorship in this program but I in talking about the profile do because of the censorship or the management by the CCP the Communist Party are the people do profiles that are fake now the profile does not include your status so your status can be fake but if I mean just like I say there is a whole bunch

of celebrities they chose to show their real identities online but you can also pretend to be a fake like whatever you want mcdonald as a status name but profile is like the background everybody wants their profile unique so the company designs as many as 60 like background for you to choose okay and they keep updating all right all right now let’s see what else we have here okay what is this oh this kind of like micro events so basically we say like Twitter way ball is all about talking something and observing what had happen and you appear among it appears the micro event is kind of like revolution ideas to transforming what we are talking about to why not we move in and meet together to have fun okay let’s explain that one more time you lost me on that one so micro event is about for example in that star right okay it’s kind of like a van til it’s a call for event like why not we just meet on this Saturday and do something together so it’s kind of like oak event organizer okay so I all the wet micro blog okay so that that might be everybody who’s interested in talking about buy-in and then find out where the event is going to be and then ship they all show up yes at this hotel lobby or a coffee shop or something it’s not only about talking anymore it’s also about organizing an event and like all fly activities actually showing up and doing something yes okay all right all right all right let’s see what else we’ve got here okay this this this photo with the kind of the green background here what is this all about I mean before we are talking about the unique characteristic of Chinese Way Ball which you can’t find in Twitter’s but this one is also unique as well it’s the apple site is about you type in some words and that’s how you get your tweets ok that’s the box at the top of the screen here right okay okay and here it’s saying something about the city this is the yellow warning triangle at the bottom you’re referring to no inside inside the green box okay the Chinese character is say some um homem Onias information harmonious not harmonious not harmonious which means Chinese government don’t like that the information they put in so the words not harmonious it’s like the government doesn’t like that TMS Graham mosca that’s they put into so that’s the is that a code word for Tiananmen Square no that’s exactly Chinese characteristic so they type in that and there is a blue like signal comes up okay that shows that you found published okay on ten it has been blocked so this this picture that our viewers are looking at is is a actually a screenshot of an attempted tweet yeah on Weibo yes where the the individual used the wrong words yes and the government comes up with the white box reminding Logan say that you can’t do that you can’t use we feel deeply regret your content has been blocked and it will be published after censorship ok so does it will it be published or probably not I don’t think so i think it’s really funny because in the blue in the in this screenshot and in the green box the first line is it’s very interesting is one of the net isn’t one to test him so he typed in testing mhmm Onias information and then he typed in some sensitive keywords you know himself is testing whether he can avoid the Chinese censorship but he can’t so he just save it as evidence say that you can’t walk away from the Chinese censorship even you have a relative open web account okay so for our viewers this is going to be the last photo we’re going to show you here for a moment but but if you notice that the yellow triangle there with the exclamation point this is the censorship box that young he is is referring to so lets us i guess that’s that’s a really good segue from this particular photo to move into the topic of censorship because not you know our we’ve read a lot about that in the the Western media how that works talk to us and teach us how does the censorship really work and is it really effective for social media in China how does it

work thanks man you’ve given us one example but but why don’t you kind of summarize with whether I think censorship is in Chinese political landscape you have some time pools which the government oh yeah which government don’t want you to discuss opening although you have rights to discuss privately so in this internet we call it public sphere you have limitations and the government tries to censor if you do not abide by the government rules but how to do that basically everybody knows that we have a dictionary right hold on one second ladies and gentlemen you are watching Asia and review we’re talking about social media in cha and you just saw the smile on on yeast face we’re talking about censorship and so the smile that you show the audience was why now are you smiling because I’m thinking about Chinese censorship dictionary right there’s a dictionary that they have right no there’s a list okay list because that techno technically if you want to blog certain Wars it’s a technical sense you need to ask the computer to do that right so you should have some certain keywords which cannot be pop it up but the netizens I mean the internet use as nowadays well educated well organized and very smart and know how to get away with those censored keywords so they tryna always too for example you either use similar pronunciation the words with similar card let’s let’s let’s let’s show the audience how that might work let’s say that I’m I work for the government I’m one of the sensors and I have this list ok and so let’s give an example of how how the public the Chinese people get around the censorship so so let’s take one word that’s on the list oh it’s general like oh I think it’s improper in us as well like the f-word the f-word ok China of course it’s prohibit as well ok but people sometimes also want to use it what we express their anger or something like that so they use let me think grass a rat horse grass rot press rot or which I mean from the word it has nothing relating amount of three words right but in Chinese pronunciation it’s equals to pronounce Lee it’s equals to the f-word if some your mom something okay okay alright so how about the word harmonious harmonious is on other issue is harmonious is a good words but some people use it in an ironic way which is also has been censored so people use rever creme which never refer crap river crab yeah like the crab that’s yeah crab okay so it’s it’s basically has nothing related to political or sensitive topics but it implies some political implications why what why do they use the words river crab when they want to use you can’t mean harmonious I mean sometimes harmonious will be censored girl but River cramp if you pronounce that way it pronounced the same as harmonious in Chinese so the audience get understand immediately when they read the tweet so what you’re saying is that that the this the sensors have this enormous list of words so there’s a flight there is a race among the sensors and the monorail okay and they just keep the Ascend search list going lon lon long it gets more and more and more right I think it’s kind of funny and and and as soon as they get a word that’s on the whist listen then they’ll develop a new evasion yes so it’s very hard for them so this is the concept of is that the concept of counter the counter censorship that’s taking on yes that’s what i call it counter censorship and because of the characteristic of social media and the high technology is as instantly happen it’s not like the traditional news and you can twist every time whatever you want wherever you are so it’s very hard for them to to trace and raise ahead of you yeah the people are always ahead of the sensors okay so does that mean he that the the effectively the the ability of the government to censor social media is actually somewhat limited yes i think society and the government that various level realized that its inability to put everything on the total control tight control as they did before so i think it

is the high time for them to to change their strategy as well and i think they’re realizing that’s too they kind of doing accordingly as well for example some government officials they open their Weibo account as well to interact with appears like the audience answer their questions rather than just close their voice sort of like the American expression if you can’t beat them join them exactly okay all right all right all right so well let’s let’s talk about now that the the i guess the i don’t know if it’s the right english word is the conflict but the challenge that the internet companies that that market on the internet like that the company that puts up the the Weibo site they they have a commercial interest and that role sometimes is in conflict with the the role of the the CCP or the Communist Party or the government yes I think there is a dilemma because you know Chinese China has a relatively open economic market so for those internet portals they are public listed companies in the US they are quite big so they have their commercial interest by the same time they have to share the responsibilities to keep the government rules and abide by the government regulations so it’s very hard for them to say no we we just don’t want to censor that you see how Google retreat from China they are our domestic companies can do that but I say at same time they count just follow whatever the government wants them to do because they will lose all the users and they will sacrifice their economic interest so how do they how do they handle this problem so it’s very hard for them so sometimes they they kind of speak for the audience because audience are their money right like income sources so they kind of play around and find kind of middle ground to get survived okay okay so does that mean that these internet companies that that that run the social media they actually what you’re saying is they speak on behalf of a very large audience and they sometimes can push back against the government because Chinese I think China still have a very strong government yes they kind of kind of voice the audience out on their behalf and try to try to negotiate with the government but I don’t know in detail how that effective okay okay you know ladies and gentlemen you’re watching Asian review and we’re talking about social media in China and our guest is ms yang ye who is evasive fellow at Pacific forum and an expert on social media in China and we’ve talked at the beginning of this program about kind of the the development of the telecommunications industry in China and kind of the characteristics of social media and we of course wanted to address the issue of censorship but now let’s get to kind of the the key part of this program you and let’s talk about what really is the role of social media in China as you see it if we take kind of the big picture what is its role what is its purpose yes I think in general a lot of people talking about how the lot of people talking about the row of high technology telecommunication technology in political life in various countries and some people say that it’s just a tool and other people say that which have it will transform the society like Arabs parent Bryn but in my opinion for China’s case I think social media play a very constructive role to have a relatively open platform for people to with themselves out ask for more rights and to get the authority the government and various level know that they can’t do anything under their tight control and they have to change that it is very fundamental wow that’s a pretty important rest more than just a platform I think it’s the first step for them to realize that I mean it’s the first step to for you to come down to change you have to realize that you need a change and the social media allows a method of communication around the the regular government news as to what’s really going on is that is that what you’re saying yeah you find situations I know that you you you watch you monitor Weibo very closely do you

find situations where where there are journalists who in the in the traditional censored media are providing alternative information on social media that may be different than what they’re doing in the official channel yes I think that seduced that deals statues for journalists but before I say that I think we will also plant play of provide a very good platform for everybody to become a journalist like you you use the microphone if something happens you can just very quickly to twist and spread it by your social network which is really amazed so sometimes even I mean within very short period of time the government didn’t realize the hot topic and don’t know how to sense it that and then the information has been spread that that’s the sin and the the duros that hears you talking about for journalism is as well for example it’s not directly like I report once in in traditional media and I say the other opposite in sort in social media that’s too conflict of interest right it’s easy to check down for example if I’m a a cop like what you’re saying is I can’t report that the sky is blue on the official channel and then quietly whisper this the sky is red that’s easy it’s very obvious to me okay it’s got to be more subtle than that yeah but for example if I’m a journalist own sports or on social issues actually I can share quite honestly and frankly about my personal opinion and deep understanding Foreign Affairs ok and actually that’s what a lot of journalists in China doing now they keep asking and questioning whether government doing this is right or what we can learn from this social unrest that’s because they are trained by journalism they are quite sought for so their analysis actually is very substantive and receive a lot of tensions among the normal people let’s let’s turn now to a very interesting social media topic and that is the elections that were held recently in Taiwan and how the Chinese people mainland China followed those elections we’ve got a picture here this is the the electoral victory of home of Preston my angel from Taiwan ok so what is what is this case study about the if we can call it a case study about the the use of social media and its implications in China have to do what does it have to do with this elections in Taiwan ok I think um I think it’s the first time Chinese people from mainland have a chance to witness the whole presidential election have in time in Taiwan is the first time but the whole no matter is traditional video media or social media I think this is an against the backdrop of better cross-strait relations because currently the cross-strait relations in general is pretty positive so it’s not political time pool right mainland so that’s why we have a chance to witness the whole process to be more specific and I think through social media we have because social media is all in Chinese and people from the both sides as in Chinese right there’s a lot of people from the from both sides communicate directly for the first time so the the mainland Chinese communicating with the Taiwanese through social media yes and they kind of I mean they have I mean type people from Taiwan also joined weibull platform they have their own account and kind of exchange ideas which is amazed because they’re for the election per se actually the news report is relative open even for the traditional media that’s not new for like information change but what amazed me is kind of people-to-people communication while social media is kind of first time because for years ago we don’t have a social media in China only four years ago I mean four years ago means and social media in trying to only have like two years so it’s really amazed so these numbers that you talked about at the beginning of the program the internet penetration a number of mobile phone users we have got something like 500 million plus Chinese citizens on the mainland using social media now something like that using internet using the internet and among the 500 million three hundred million use social media okay so have media so that’s likely the entire almost the entire population every man woman and child in the United States being on social media we are about 300 million something like yeah

Wow and yeah I just want to add like China kind of is number one and for the Internet user because yours is you don’t have that population that’s right okay okay what what this this as the people from mainland China where we’re using social media and watching these elections in Taiwan what kind of things were happening in is you were observing what were they saying about the elections and what were they doing because i think they are quite amazed it is the first time the people in mainland china chinese okay it is the first time they have a chance to have a full coverage report from traditional media as well and the same time it is first time for them to have a chance to talk directly with people while social media like personal person-to-person a level so they receive enough information and the others in is the president election in taiwan is quite peace for no drama right political scandals everything is quite it’s quite democratic representative quite goods in a peaceful way so a lot of people from mainland quite amazed because we always ink and probably we are trained like like western style of democracy is always associated with violence with scandal it’s not suitable for Chinese dominated community but this time when we see how it’s happened in Taiwan we kind of wondered probably we should learn or at least learn partly from Taiwan and the top it to our own case interesting so there is kind of like debate and varies very good no notice to pay attention to is this debate is open you mean the presidential debates in Taiwan no it’s dumb it’s the lesson we can learn oh I want okay among Internet users in mainland over social media is open so the government does not say that you can’t do that and it’s a very hot topics you can see in the topics ranked during that period of time well in that in that discussion that was taking place in social media in mainland China over the the elections in Taiwan are you saying that that people were making comments like this was a good thing it was interesting to people talking about actually in still very hot debate some people say that we should just learn from it’s a role model for us but some people say that just compare the like we are big comp like big lot much bigger than Taiwan and you come like the pro like some people counter argue them back okay and there are various voices and say that whether it’s feasible and whether we can have our own election in water level and the weather it will happen in mainland in the foreseeable future a lot of people joined participant not owning the normal people but also that professional professors trying to explain so it’s kind of fairly open platform for people to discuss and think about what we can learn from Taiwan we ain’t the first time let’s jump into a different example now let’s talk about the the window train crash everybody you know about this situation where there was a train crash and then some of the cars were were buried and there was a big explosion in public opinion in China what role did did social media play in that situation oh I think that is a very important case in China to illustrate how important social media transform the whole news production process actually this report I mean it’s a really human tragedy by human beings is not by lake by the natural conditions or something like that I human-caused human-caused strategies okay this lease news has been spread over social media eight minutes after eight minutes eight minutes so train crashes eight minutes it’s all over China eight minutes around the social media some people i mean i think one of the passengers spread that information out say that i’m stucked in this and they posted and some people living nearby also see the lights so they just recall it okay I think it’s hours before the traditional authority the news outlets report that so the social media is way ahead of the traditional media in terms of the report okay and it’s not reported by

professional journalists it’s by civic journalists is by like people you and me they do that so it’s quite amazed and then because it’s kind of a human cost charity and involved a lot of corruptions and a lot of Miss abuse of power or construction problems and initially some local government of user tries to cover all this but because initially it was bred by social media which caused a national attention and those internet users from all of the countries keep paying attention to the ongoing situation for for this incident and keep questioning the government about how it goes what’s the penetration plan and why it will happen just because the bad weather you have train crash does that certificate a burden see you want your feedback so people keep asking all this and we want to see the report because initially the local government promised say that we will have an investigation repeat be released within three months so after three months a lot of people saying that now time is up what’s the report we want to see so what you’re saying really is that the there was an attempt by the local government in kind of a traditional traditional media to cover up this whole situation and that attempt was actually blocked by the social media they couldn’t cover it up and they had to produce the report and and the whole ugly underside of the corruption all got exposed by people who by public opinion that did that the propaganda machine could not contain usually are for a traditional way to deal with this tragedy is to keep it to keep it down and keep it quietly because keep it quiet yeah because it does not say any good about their governance okay but for social media by you have a wide exposure and to some extent really pressure them to do this kind of since seriously because what’s a compensation plan probably initially just want to give them tiny money but because a lot of people pay attention to and keep questioning in order not to get more trouble you probably should give a fair amount of money compensation for the victims families and so forth so amazing positive role that social media played in that whole wing window train crash yes and for that cases and I mean it happens in trying from time to time so it’s not time poo in China people can talking about taboo right okay so let’s now shift to something from a disaster situation to more of a grassroots political situation let’s talk a little bit about the rukon elections this village and maybe you could give our viewers a little bit of the background we’re talking about social media in China and its implications you’re watching Asian review and we have as you’ve seen on your screen the the very extraordinary woman from Pacific forum yang ye with us here who is an expert on social media in China so tell us about the background ye of this of this okay am i pronouncing correctly yeah okay what is the name of a village located in southern part of China basically the story starts like it’s at the village the village officials wants to sell the money sell the land the land is collectively owned in China at the country level so the official want to sell the land to property at the poverty development purpose but they are bribed by those property developer so they sold those lands at very low price so the money the villagers receive a very little money which cannot survive them in the kind of urbanized cities so they just kind of get fearest and want to and get protests initially and then the local the villagers officials tries to cover everything up so they just climb them down and even cut the water the drinking water resources from the outside so basically they just want to cut them often yeah to silence them cut them off to silence tender and tries to by doing this to can’t let them compromise okay but because I say that the mobile

technology mobile Internet technology is also very advanced in China so people just by using the mobile wave wall with mobile internet spread since out and the same time they seek help from the people who working outside of the village they are like migrant workers to spread out about social media because such kind of abuse of power by corrupted officials and sell the land the phenomenon is not isolated it’s it’s popular nowadays in China service immediately accumulate a very words kind of national attention and people the Internet users from all of the countries tries to pressure the local government tries to ask for higher authority to get in the vid to get intervened to solve these issues in a proper way okay and so you have the local government of this village trying to clamp down and then the social media machine in China gets triggered and the local government has to deal with the 300 million followers on unweave oh right yeah in a way is like that and not only in the local government official provisional government also feel the pressure and because the southern part of China actually is to be more open compared to the inland so the higher level of governance get involved and realize that what the people ask is fair enough so they just rank those local corrupted officials and call for a new election by the people and for the people that’s real so by the people and for the people i mean right interesting so that’s how social media kind of transformed the whole situation and get what people want in the end is that walk on village example is that sort of like a little window into China’s future I think there’s a because Waka instant just happens last December this January so it’s pretty new case actually in even in social media both in both social media and traditional media a lot of people talking about the significance implementation or whether as you said it will set an example for the future political landscape in China it’s an open question well I mean I you know if you you step back and you kind of look at the conversation that we’ve been having here ye if I were in the government I would I would come to the conclusion that in the last two years because of this explosion of social media in China that the government no longer has the ability to really just totally clamp down on everything you know those days of total censorship and clamp down in China or god I think is that right am I wrong yeah I think they by social I think ways to develop not internet they kind of understand because internet you have you enjoying kind of interactivity like email things like that but by social media because the high interactivity and wide social networking and this is supported by the technology / say the government realizes they can’t do it anymore and they tries to embrace embrace social media themselves so what we’ve got going on in China today I mean I think this is this is almost mind-boggling for me and I’m sure for many members of our audience here we’re talking about a phenomenon that is just less than two years old correct yes and in two years we bow has 300 million people participating yes and in two years the government goes from we used to refer to it in the US as you know the great the Great Wall of China the great internet wall is this hi war for Great Firewall of China right that’s what we used to talk about it here and and and that Great Firewall because of social media I guess is got some holes in it or is crumbling in a lot of ways um I think so I think social media kind of awake people’s wailing of participants in political affairs which is related to their daily life I mean in China nowadays a lot of people are money are any prey are ended we don’t care about whether they call democracy human

rights in our daily life even if our basic human rights are not violated but we care about whether I feel secure financially or whether i can buy a house my kids can go to a good school I think like what he has people worried ability right yeah okay so in that part if such kind of financial rights or that part of rights of a lady they did they dare to speak out well social media and the government I think realized that they want to hear it voice they want to hear the voice on that part as well I mean how how you can overcome your like wealth gap or your financial insecurity they want to hear that part as well so they kind of open yeah as well as has social media kind of forced a management change in the the one-party system in China from the I’m gonna coffee the the old total censorship rule 22 it caused a shift to something something called i call it soft man ok that’s a good chair soft management ok whatever let’s help help us all with it what is soft management because in china would still have something you cannot touch and you can never discussed so that’s the real taboo area that’s a real taboo area and the government will try area means to censor it okay so give us an example what’s what’s clearly in the taboo area it’s about like 98 and I 1989 gentlemen square rms square Dalai Lama Dalai Lama i think is ok it’s under the context but tal like what we see in the previous lights in the previous photos ok they will I mean they can’t answer but nowadays they need to ban it like balance the costs and benefits if the CCP realize that the cost is too much they won’t bother to do that but for those political time boo scenes they will still try elements to do that but for most part of the topics because they realize that probably in the way by let people speaking out or get what they want to fulfill part of their rights will help the legitimacy improve their governance then why not just open you know ye throughout this this program I’ve heard you mention two things which I find most interesting one of them you just use the word rights where did the Chinese people look what where are their rights listed how do you know what your rights are as a Chinese citizen basically we have constitutions in your Constitution yes and there’s a written constitution yes of course well more than country as well okay so so just so the viewers know there is a written constitution in China that sets forth um rights and responsibilities of the citizens yes I think we don’t have independent like Legos it’s honest us half but we do have a very comprehensive constitutions and a lot of experts on that part saying that if we can give all the citizens the rights and responsibilities offered written in our Constitution China will be great greater than now so this whole process of social media then is let’s not use the English word revolution but it’s it’s gently or sometimes not so gently pushing in the government in the direction of an evolution towards that constitution more and more I think it’s kind of like peaceful inside’ evolution evolution evolution within the government within the CCP the Communist Party and let them know how to do how to involve and to contact the reform from the top I’m dying to ask you this question out okay so here it is all right we’ve talked about social media all along here um do you do you do you think that the social media will bring something like an Arab Spring to China because I heard there is the article saying that nowadays I think you mentioned this to me as well nowadays not Arabs print anymore server winter or the Arab literary winter Irishman is not a good since for China and I don’t think I don’t see the much similarities between the two K’s who are you sir because the domestic policies are so different I mean most of the people in China still enjoy the achievement of the and the food and the food the economic

success okay in past three decades although there is a there are some problems like wealth gap like corrupted officials always happens but most of people who live in standard for them are improved dramatically and they are satisfied with that okay so fundamental fundamentally they don’t want to change Chinese people want to solve their urgent economic social issues with the current comp currents of government okay okay and that’s totally different than in the Middle East that’s fundamentally unemployment and young people had no opportunity and that kind of thing yes so what did what and Chinese people and the Gulf and they have agreement about the priority of economic development and the social stability yes both sides wants to and they have agreement on that so maybe your perspective is I don’t want to put words in your mouth but let me try this on you is that that contrasting with the Arab winter maybe social media will in a positive stable way gently evolve china into more of a Chinese spring rather than an Arab winter yeah something like that yes and I think Chinese Brin probably will be China will become more representative and the social media also will help the government to improve their legitimacy of governance so it’s kind of have a win-win it’s bookid it’sit’s creates a very constructive platform to lead to a win-win situation in the end so in general i think social media is a good sin and the government kind to learn how to play with it and to get what they want do you think that you know that the social media will continue to build the cross-straits relationship with Taiwan and you see that that is a tool for improving that whole relationship between mainland China and Taiwan yes I think do social media helped to build a person-to-person communication channel between between the people cross the streets and not only that it also helped Chinese people to get communication with people from other countries like Japan because they usually we are we learn about Japan history from our textbook okay which is just from one channel but nowadays you have like Weibo and you have people Chinese people living in Japan experience Japan life everyday and you got weibull in this platform and you communicate with them daily on daily basis which will give you a fresh perspective and I think there will be no more one as boys or perspective any more on singular issue in China the diverse perspective pro se is kind of representative you gotta admit this is a fascinating discussion here on the implications of social media in China and so let me shift to a slightly different topic here maybe it by way of contrast what what do you see let’s let’s shift across the the northern border of China into North Korea for a moment because how do you see social media developing in North Korea first I’m not North Korea extra the second I’m a little bit concerned about the penetration rate internet coverage in North Korea I don’t see there are high level of internet penetration in North Korea especially outside of ping young but what I heard from my career college called expect to Pacific forum they kind of discuss about why the reason that North Korea kind of hesitated to open up its economy to the outside world because people say that if you open it up and if you develop economy like China you can get rich why not why not and they kind of concern because they realize that by opening up your economy in this high-tech high-tech technology what we have to have information you have to be well-connected they are kind of afraid that by doing that they will lose their legitimacy in the end because people who know what happened in the world may not support for their government anymore so that’s what I heard from my Korean colleagues about the reason that North Korea don’t want to open it up its economy so maybe the prospect for for the explosion of social media in North Korea is not that good but we probably can help them build up Internet portals help them building up the hub the hot wheel at the first okay and so maybe sometime in the future it’ll change we hopeful you know yi I really on behalf of think tech really appreciate you

spending the time with us here ladies and gentlemen I hope you have enjoyed this presentation on social media and its implications in China I this has been a tremendous contribution ye that you’ve made to our understanding of how social media operates and its significance thank you so much thank you so much it’s my honor to be here enjoy good night bye you